at last ive sorted the running rich issues ive had the carbs apart 4 times but even when cleaning them and being careful putting them back togeather it still ran rich i kept cleaning blowing with air measuring float heights and till finally got there i know its a pain to keep pulling them apart but its worth it im sure it was the float height but now that is sorted ive re sync the carbs with my morgan sync great tool its on the money and flys now heres a couple of pictures