SOS starting engine

Born2Ride · Aug 27, 2014

Hi, just put a brand new charged battery and now i have this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA0KB_6CMXo

there is a strange sound during the cranking, open choke or closed it s the same, after came a light smell of gasoline.

What can i do?

dannymax · Aug 27, 2014

Pretty sure that's the 'box of rocks' sound which comes from a bad starter clutch.

Search Starter Clutch Repair/Rebuild, there have been numerous threads on the subject.

Good luck!

Biker Dash · Aug 27, 2014

I have that same issue. It could be things loosening up, or it could be a broken sprag. There is a thread that gives details on fixing this issue. Give me a bit, and I will find it again.

dannymax · Aug 27, 2014

This one? http://www.vmaxforum.net/showthread.php?t=35029&highlight=rocks+sound

Biker Dash · Aug 27, 2014

dannymax said:
This one? http://www.vmaxforum.net/showthread.php?t=35029&highlight=rocks+sound

Eeyup! And here is the link to the instruction on fixing this
Starter Clutch Replacement Guide

alorio1 · Aug 27, 2014

You probably have the back 2 coil connectors crossed. Reverse the connectors and try to start..........

Born2Ride · Aug 27, 2014

thanks for all the replies, as if i didn't have already enough problems to solve from 3 months of owning the bike, a brake fluid leak when i pull the clutch at the entrance of the engine that going to cost me 350 euros to solve, 3 cylinders working at neutral stance another 350euros for it and now this, i don t have all the tools for this, lack of experience and time as space (no garage) this bike is ruing my bank account...
Now to get a transport to the shop will be 60 euros, can you guys tell me what’s the average time for this operation, if parts needed, and are they usually expansive?

The Beekeeper · Aug 27, 2014

It sounds like an electrical misfire to me too................................Tom.

alorio1 · Aug 27, 2014

Pretty sure it is, but it seems he does not want to try the simple things, like swap the coil connections. If all he did was change the battery now he has this popping and kicking back, he probably has the back 2 coils crossed..I know because it happened to me.

Born2Ride · Aug 27, 2014

I had this problem before, which made me think it was the battery, because i don t know how old was it and it left me down once before. so that is why i change the battery, but i m sure i didn t change any wire, was exactly as it was before. and the last time i drove it was 2 - 3 weeks ago and i ve been trying for 2 weeks to start the engine.

D-Max2012 · Aug 27, 2014

Make sure the Stator pickup connection near the battery did not come loose.. If it did, the CDI box would not know when to fire the coils. The wires leading to the connector is Black and Orange or Black and Red. The 2 pole plastic connection is sitting next to the battery, under the seat. hope this helps.

Note: You can also see if your getting a spark by pulling out one of the spark plugs, connect the coil wire to it, and ground it to the engine body, then crank the engine.. You should see a spark across the gap.

Born2Ride · Aug 27, 2014

ok, i will try that tomorrow since now here is late night. there is one thing that i didn't mention, i dint know if this has interference with the happening.

On the last two times i did a cold start on neutral then after half minute when i pull the clutch and hit first gear the bike moved forward and engine went off then the reaction was to press start again engine restarted with a slight moving forward (i m not sure if this is normal to happen).

Had the 3 last weeks every day rain, today first day of sun and this bad luck.

i ve see those connectors close by, i will really check those connections.

But anyway, if it s the starter clutch, what could be the average time to fix it?

dannymax · Aug 27, 2014

Born2Ride said:
ok, i will try that tomorrow since now here is late night. there is one thing that i didn't mention, i dint know if this has interference with the happening.

On the last two times i did a cold start on neutral then after half minute when i pull the clutch and hit first gear the bike moved forward and engine went off then the reaction was to press start again engine restarted with a slight moving forward (i m not sure if this is normal to happen).

Had the 3 last weeks every day rain, today first day of sun and this bad luck.

i ve see those connectors close by, i will really check those connections.

But anyway, if it s the starter clutch, what could be the average time to fix it?

Can't help you with the starter clutch but think what you're describing here is normal....these are 'wet clutch's,' the oil gets heavier after sitting and the clutch plates tend to stick together. Try letting the motor warm up more before shifting into 1st.

alorio1 · Aug 27, 2014

+1 on what Dannymax said, but if you have the kick stand down it will kill the engine also......it's a safety feature so that you don't ride off with the kick stand down.

jfeagins · Aug 27, 2014

Sounded as if the motor was turning over fine to me......leading me to think an electrical problem. If all the connectors are reattached properly, then I'd be leaning towards a failing CDI box and all that BS that goes with it.

Can you crank it and check for a good, crisp hot spark?

Born2Ride · Aug 28, 2014

alorio1 said:
+1 on what Dannymax said, but if you have the kick stand down it will kill the engine also......it's a safety feature so that you don't ride off with the kick stand down.

That I would notice because it happens to everyone sometimes, but there is no kick forward when it s that case. I have to check the spark on all the 4 spark plugs right?

The Beekeeper · Aug 28, 2014

Start with the basics, pull the plugs and make sure they are clean, check for good hot/blue spark at all 4 cyls...........................Tom.

Born2Ride · Sep 10, 2014

Hello, thanks all who tried to help me, so today i was able to know the status and just want to leave an update on this and oppinion.
After all electric part checked and good, motorcycle had to go the shop.

Aparently the three bolts of the starter clutch were loose and created some damage on the starter clutch, they say the fly wheel is good but the other part with the teeths arround have also to be replaced because the round part that sticks out got a bit shrinked.

Now the cost of the fixing of the whole thing with oil change and filter is going for 1000 euros (motorcycle is going to be stuck in there for a while...).

But there is another possibility which is putting all back like it is now and there is a 50/50 chance that it will work. By the look of the starter clutch damage do you think i could run that risk?

alorio1 · Sep 10, 2014

Most members just retighten the bolts and peen the part of the bolt that sticks out on the other side. It should work fine. If it were mine that's what I would tell them to do. We hardly ever replace the whole assy. Make sure the brass cage that holds the rollers and springs in place does noes not have a crack in it.

gamorg02 · Sep 11, 2014

alorio1 said:
Most members just retighten the bolts and peen the part of the bolt that sticks out on the other side. It should work fine. If it were mine that's what I would tell them to do. We hardly ever replace the whole assy. Make sure the brass cage that holds the rollers and springs in place does noes not have a crack in it.

I'd replace the bolts while i was in there but otherwise yea.

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