11.05@122 Video and yes I dusted a Ninja 600

[cgswss]

Great runs! you are so close... I would love to see you make up a pair of 13" struts to replace those rear shocks. I think that would get you into the tens (all else being equal), Of course your so close that taking a goof Sh-t before your run might get you in the tens. A kill button shifter plus the struts would get you their with time to spare.

I'd like to put chalk marks on your front and rear wheels and film at as highest frame rate we can to see what your rear vs front wheel speed is. It sounds like your rear wheel speed is low- like you making your clutch do all the work.

Were those runs on pure gas? (as opposed to 10%) I think Craig's still has Pure gas (100% gas) you almsot surely already know- on 24 just south of Kmart on the west side of the road.

Damn I would like to see that thing in the 10s!

 

[ninjaneer]

I ll wait till winter to come down there and school you guys jk!

Todd

itll be too cold. lol

was the ninja even racing? dusting it is an understatement.

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[customizedcreationz]

itll be too cold. lol

was the ninja even racing? dusting it is an understatement.

Regards from my Taptalking Hercules Android

Thats the power of a .004 r/t and a 1.71 60 ft !

 

[customizedcreationz]

Nope just plain old crap gas.

 

[cgswss]

Nope just plain old crap gas.

Dude-- there's your ten! most pump gas is 10% ethanol If its old gas more like 9% and 1% water. If you could duplicate that same run with ethanol-free gas you would safely be in the tens.

 

[customizedcreationz]

Maybe I ll pick up a little of the "good" juice next track outing. Heck I could make struts as well. I am just not sure how much more I am going to beat on the poor ole girl this year.... I can't break another bike and be bike less. Plus I have to wait for my next two driveshafts to arrive before I do much more "beating".

 

[Itgoes]

Dude-- there's your ten! most pump gas is 10% ethanol If its old gas more like 9% and 1% water. If you could duplicate that same run with ethanol-free gas you would safely be in the tens.

Actually the 10% ethanol fuel will make more power.....assuming there is no water in it.

As far as performance goes, It hurts mileage but can make a little more power.

E85 can make as much power as $25 a gallon MR12 race fuel.....if you are tuned for it. And it cost's under $3 a gallon. You have tune for it however because you need to fuel the engine a lot more or you will be so lean that you're guaranteed to destroy the motor. Easier to do on a FI engine because you can change maps with a flip of a switch, no re-jetting required.

 

[cgswss]

Actually the 10% ethanol fuel will make more power.....assuming there is no water in it.

As far as performance goes, It hurts mileage but can make a little more power.

E85 can make as much power as $25 a gallon MR12 race fuel.....if you are tuned for it. And it cost's under $3 a gallon. You have tune for it however because you need to fuel the engine a lot more or you will be so lean that you're guaranteed to destroy the motor. Easier to do on a FI engine because you can change maps with a flip of a switch, no re-jetting required.

I disagree with you, There is more stored potential in Gas then in ethanol. The advantage of Ethanol is that it cools the combustion chamber much faster then gas. If you were to build a ethanol engine, you can take advantage of this and run higher compression and more spark advance. The disadvantage is that you need a lot more ethanol make the same power. Our "alcohol" race engines required carbs that were opened up everywhere to get enough juice in the engine for the power they make.

If I were still building engines, I would build specific "E85" engines (with the warring to NEVER put gas in them) Those engines could make a good deal more HP and Torque then any Gas engines you can drive on the street. Of course with the V-Max fule tank you would need someone to follow you around and fill the tank about every 25 miles.

Ethanol fuel has a "gasoline gallon equivalency" (GGE) value of 1.5 US gallons (5.7 L), which means 1.5 gallons of ethanol produce the energy of one gallon of gasoline.[3]"

Craig

 

[srk468]

I disagree with you, There is more stored potential in Gas then in ethanol. The advantage of Ethanol is that it cools the combustion chamber much faster then gas. If you were to build a ethanol engine, you can take advantage of this and run higher compression and more spark advance. The disadvantage is that you need a lot more ethanol make the same power. Our "alcohol" race engines required carbs that were opened up everywhere to get enough juice in the engine for the power they make.

If I were still building engines, I would build specific "E85" engines (with the warring to NEVER put gas in them) Those engines could make a good deal more HP and Torque then any Gas engines you can drive on the street. Of course with the V-Max fule tank you would need someone to follow you around and fill the tank about every 25 miles.

Ethanol fuel has a "gasoline gallon equivalency" (GGE) value of 1.5 US gallons (5.7 L), which means 1.5 gallons of ethanol produce the energy of one gallon of gasoline.[3]"

Craig

Craig is right, E85 is awesome if the engine has high compression and the carbs are set up for it.. E10 that you get at the pump is ******** gas, just make sure when you get ethanol free gas that its no higher than 89 octane.. I put some 93+ pure gas in mine at the track and it slowed me down, my bike really runs like **** on 100 octane race gas but seems in how I have to pull the airbox to get to my dyna to ****** the timing I just run really good gas when I'm spraying...

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[CaptainKyle]

All my runs have been made on crappy pump gas to with no front end strap. Guess come winter time when I start running again I am going to strap it & try some good gas. My thing is I just like to know how they run exactly like I ride them on the street.

 

[Itgoes]

I disagree with you, There is more stored potential in Gas then in ethanol. The advantage of Ethanol is that it cools the combustion chamber much faster then gas. If you were to build a ethanol engine, you can take advantage of this and run higher compression and more spark advance. The disadvantage is that you need a lot more ethanol make the same power. Our "alcohol" race engines required carbs that were opened up everywhere to get enough juice in the engine for the power they make.

If I were still building engines, I would build specific "E85" engines (with the warring to NEVER put gas in them) Those engines could make a good deal more HP and Torque then any Gas engines you can drive on the street. Of course with the V-Max fule tank you would need someone to follow you around and fill the tank about every 25 miles.

Ethanol fuel has a "gasoline gallon equivalency" (GGE) value of 1.5 US gallons (5.7 L), which means 1.5 gallons of ethanol produce the energy of one gallon of gasoline.[3]"

Craig

Not to be argumentative.......but you disagreed with me and then kind of made my point. In my post I said that to really take advantage of it you have to add more fuel but in turn can potentially make more power. So.....if the bike was tuned with a tank full of 10% ethanol, it will make slightly better power. I guess my overall point was that 90/10 gas sucks for several reasons but making power isn't one of them if you are tuned for it.

Many people are using E85 for racing because of it's potential.....again it's very simple to adapt a fuel injected engine......in fact some new cars require nothing other than to put it in the tank, the ECU's will adjust the fuel mixture on the fly.

 

[srk468]

All my runs have been made on crappy pump gas to with no front end strap. Guess come winter time when I start running again I am going to strap it & try some good gas. My thing is I just like to know how they run exactly like I ride them on the street.

I like the idea your after Kyle but your only talking about a couple tenths and even if you race someone on the street 99.99999999% of the time its gonna be from a roll anyway.. I really try not to screw around too much on the street anymore cause I make my living off of my licence but when I go to the track I like to maximize my chances of running a good number within reason. Pure gas and strapped forks I'm sure you could've gotten into the 10.70's as light as you are now.. A +3" extension and a 1500cc engine and it'll really haul the mail!!

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[CaptainKyle]

I like the idea your after Kyle but your only talking about a couple tenths and even if you race someone on the street 99.99999999% of the time its gonna be from a roll anyway.. I really try not to screw around too much on the street anymore cause I make my living off of my licence but when I go to the track I like to maximize my chances of running a good number within reason. Pure gas and strapped forks I'm sure you could've gotten into the 10.70's as light as you are now.. A +3" extension and a 1500cc engine and it'll really haul the mail!!

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I Know I know. LOL next time it will be strapped with good gas might have to leave the stock motor in it & strap a 25 lb weight on my belly so I can see if it will run 10.7 the way it was.

 

[cgswss]

OK- the original comment was to change the fuel in what is basically a stock engine bike. With no other changes, pure gas will give more power the 90/10. Not a great deal. but we are talking about .05 sec to get into the 10s.

We don't have the option of advancing the timing on a V-Max and your not going to raise the compression without a bunch of work.

We agree on a purpose build E85 motor. but to get the extra, there is more to it then just dumping 50% more E85. An efi bike with something like a power commander and some work with a laptop would make things easier, but you still need to make other changes that would make the engine "85only" to get a real power bump. I build a good number of "E100" racing motors, and I love the power you can get, but you put E10 in one of those motors... even if you retarted the timing, and you aren't going to have a motor left

 

[customizedcreationz]

Well my turbo bike might be back. If so I think the ole girl might be going up for sale a little more seriously this time. Might look at a Gen 2 Vmax for next year.

 

[cgswss]

I'll give you five cents. Everything should be five cents

I almost bought a used gen 2. THe credit union wouldn't give me that much money. They said they would if I could come up with $2k down...

Hell I don't ride the one I have, I don't need to spend the money for one I wont ride only faster.

 

[customizedcreationz]

For 5 cents you can have some air out of the front tire

 

[cgswss]

Great!... Wait is that 2012 air or 2013 air I don't want none of that old air man.

 

[Itgoes]

OK- the original comment was to change the fuel in what is basically a stock engine bike. With no other changes, pure gas will give more power the 90/10. Not a great deal. but we are talking about .05 sec to get into the 10s.

We don't have the option of advancing the timing on a V-Max and your not going to raise the compression without a bunch of work.

We agree on a purpose build E85 motor. but to get the extra, there is more to it then just dumping 50% more E85. An efi bike with something like a power commander and some work with a laptop would make things easier, but you still need to make other changes that would make the engine "85only" to get a real power bump. I build a good number of "E100" racing motors, and I love the power you can get, but you put E10 in one of those motors... even if you retarted the timing, and you aren't going to have a motor left

Yup...I agree 100%.

 

[customizedcreationz]

2012 air so its vintage.... might have to go 10 cents on that.