Is it just me

[Coastal Grey]

Is it just me …….
Or does no one else think this is one of the coolest things they have seen since walking this little planet
After seeing this it reaffirms my belief that there is no possible way we are alone in the universe we may be special and unique in our limited belief of things but on the grand scale we are really just infants in the universe I can see at least 25 galaxies in this one alignment picture from the Webb telescope I’m very excited to see what comes from this amazing piece of technology in the future

 

[02GF74]

After seeing this it reaffirms my belief that there is no possible way we are alone in the universe we may be special and unique in our limited belief of things but on the grand scale we are really just infants in the universe I can see at least 25 galaxies in this one alignment picture from the Webb telescope.

I am not sure how you came to that conclusion.

I see a photograph of billions of stars, many of which have planets, some of which have similar properties (surface temperatures, gravity) as the earth.

There is nothing in that says there is life on them.

Something random happened once on earth to give rise to life. All living things are based on the eukaryotic cell so can be traced back to 1 starting point.

Scientists have been zapping the primordial soup to produce the amino acids on which life is based and as far as I know, they are nowhere creating and assembling even the simplest of cells..

I say it wadsa one off event, if it wasn't, then we would see different varieties and we haven't - of course the other varieties may exist but not long enough to thrive.

Even if there is life elsewhere, the universe is so f***ing huge, I don't think we will ever detect it, no chance of ever leaving earth to look for them.

It's only for the last 100 years that we have been able to transmit and receive radio signals how long is an advanced civilisation like ours going to last? Human population is growing and the planet is being killed. We should have reached the stage where we are helping each other, but look at what happening in Ukraine, look at the killing based on religion, etc

The same could be said for any other civilisation so the time overlap for one being to send and another being able to receive the signals are 0.

We are alone.

 

[Pighuntingpuppy]

Is it possible that we are a unique planet with life? Absolutely. Is it probable though? We see life on this planet living in the most inhospitable places imaginable. Miles below the ocean at pressures so immense it would crush almost anything we send there. Bacteria that lives in acid. Algae that grows on snow. Life finds a way to exist in conditions favorable to the organism.

As for the "scientists zapping primordial soup"....well, it doesnt work that way and its been thought that life didnt just appear here rather it was brought here by meteorites and comets. Theory mind you. Plus scientists are not factoring in the most important factor to how and why life started here......the moon. You need tidal pull to kickstart life here on earth. You can read about life coming from celestial bodies here....

https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/about/li...possible that the,3.5 - 3.8 billion years ago.

I do agree with you that humans and life elsewhere will never meet. Too many trillions and quadrillions of miles to traverse to get to someplace. People think light speed will cut things down but radio signals....similar to light speed, takes 5 to 20 minutes to reach Mars depending on planet position. It takes sunlight 8.5 minutes. If humans still exist when our sun starts eating into its helium, no one will be around to save the species or planet. Everything gets blinked out by our star.

But to think we are the only form of life in the universe is nothing but the delusion of a self aware egotistical animal. Where there is one....there is more. There never is just one.

 

[02GF74]

The Drake equation defines the probabilities of there being intelligent life in the universe, some of the terms can be estimated but it is the term:
fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point
that is unknown.

The event that started life could have only occurred once (just like the big bang, a one off event as far as we can tell), and that was on earth. As I mentioned above, current life forms can be traced to a common origin; wiki explains it better.

Countering this argument is that there is no evidence for abiogenesis occurring more than once on the Earth—that is, all terrestrial life stems from a common origin. If abiogenesis were more common it would be speculated to have occurred more than once on the Earth. Scientists have searched for this by looking for bacteria that are unrelated to other life on Earth, but none have been found yet. It is also possible that life arose more than once, but that other branches were out-competed, or died in mass extinctions, or were lost in other ways.

Aren't the bacteria that live in what seem to be impossible conditions still derived from the same source? The ones that manage to survive have become that way due to evolution so is not the same as life can start in those places.

As for life coming from elsewhere transported on meteorites, comets etc to me is a cop out to not being able to answer how life started here. If that is the case, life therefore started elsewhere but it is not explained how and then those living things were sent on a journey through vacuum at very low temperatures for a huge amount of time and yet were able to survive that and any burn up in the earth's atmosphere (did the earth have an atmosphere from early days?) ). As far as I am aware, no samples of debris from outside earth have been found with life or traces of life hence I am not convinced.

Delusion of a self aware egotistical animal?
In one way we are extremely special due to our perceived superior intelligence over other species and yet at the same time not special at as we a result of the process of natural selection over billions of years originating from the first living thing.

It's a fascinating topic to which I doubt we'll find out the answer in my lifetime, if ever.

 

[Coastal Grey]

Don’t discount me as a fool I do take into account a lot of science and i am a very curious and even individual but it seems to me our knowledge was acquired very quickly on a planetary timeline my belief is we are still very infantile in our knowledge and maybe missing big pieces of the picture the universe is thought to be 12 billion plus years old and we occupy a space of 5 billion give or take
Don’t get me wrong with what I say next but I really do believe that we will need to obtain “warp/light speed before we are allowed into the club. We are a threat to no one else but ourselves at our current status and in my opinion not worth anyones time except as a curiosity or worse case for resources
have we been visited I have to give a firm yes on this to many unexplained things on this planet that make no sense to the timeline and abilities
do I want to meet what is out there makes me nervous for sure are we unique ,to us yes but when I look up at the sky I really have to question that so bottom line my intelligence and curiosity every part of my being believes there are others out there what they are I can’t even speculate
Do get me wrong this has been a wild ride for me I have seen amazing things but I really believe we are just scratching the surface

definately a rabbit hole topic

cheers
Peter

 

[Parminio]

The idea that there isn't life of some kind somewhere else in the universe is preposterous. There is no math that can possibly eliminate it.

And for the record, we discover new sources of life on this very planet all the time that we never knew about before and had always assumed were impossible. Examples being arsenic-based, phosphorous-based bacteria and deep sea creatures that live off of vents at the bottom of the ocean. We used to believe all life was carbon based and that no light and astronomical pressure prevented any chance at life just a few miles under the surface of the ocean.

Boy, were we wrong.

We also used to believe the world was flat and that the entire universe revolved around the earth. (The fact that some idiots still do is, of course, notwithstanding.)

The earth is roughly 4.5 to 5.5 billion years old. The universe, as far as we can see, is somewhere around 13.5 billion years old.

To say we're a "one off" when we haven't even been around for 1/10th the amount of time that the universe has been is, at best, a completely ridiculous assumption.

Are there aliens flying around in UFO's?

I doubt that highly.

Is there life of all kinds scattered throughout the universe?

Yes. Most definately.

 

[RadiumPHX]

When asked about life beyond the stars my Grand Dad said "A dog will chase his tail in hopes of catching it and when he finally does he is not aware that he caused the pain and reacts often in anger." I then said, Grand Dad! What does that have to do with life beyond the stars? He said, not a ****** thing but it is story with and end and when I'm done telling it I can get back life on this planet, now stack that wood *******.

 

[Screwloose]

It will be very interesting to see whether those Tardigrades are surviving on the moon after crash landing there.

I also find the subject of entangled photons very interesting as it makes the speed of light for communications look like a Robin Reliant trying to race a Corvette.

There are many unexplained events out there, but that photo from the James Webb telescope is really something else. Aren’t we lucky to be alive just now to witness such amazing things.

 

[PATMAX]

Not sure how many motorcycle forums include the intellectual make up of this group. I have no empirical evidence, but will go out on a limb and say ”not many or ”less than more”. Carry on.

 

[Parminio]

I also find the subject of entangled photons very interesting as it makes the speed of light for communications look like a Robin Reliant trying to race a Corvette.

It takes me back to Schrodinger's cat: to me when I was young, the cat was always dead until you looked in the box and proved he wasn't. It's the typical assumption flaw we humans are taught as kids and carry with us for most of our lives; sometimes all of it.

It's a very difficult thing for we humans to accept the fact that the cat is both alive and dead at the same time. Most people will go their entire lives never being able to comprehend it.

 

[02GF74]

This is the first post in this topic that is verging on kicking off an argument with veiled insults, I guess someone had to spoil it

The idea that there isn't life of some kind somewhere else in the universe is preposterous. There is no math that can possibly eliminate it.

Why? There is no math that can prove it either. WE SIMPLY DON'T KNOW.

The earth is roughly 4.5 to 5.5 billion years old. The universe, as far as we can see, is somewhere around 13.5 billion years old.

To say we're a "one off" when we haven't even been around for 1/10th the amount of time that the universe has been is, at best, a completely ridiculous assumption.
Until it is explained how life started, I will stick in my belief that it was a one off event, so far the evidence points to that as I am not aware of there being evidence of life sprouting up from more than 1 event. WE SIMPLY MAY NEVER KNOW.

Are there aliens flying around in UFO's?

I doubt that highly.
Yet you are convinced there is life scattered through the universe, so why can this life have this technology? WE SIMPLY DON'T KNOW.

Is there life of all kinds scattered throughout the universe?

Yes. Most definitely.
Really, based on what? WE SIMPLY DON'T KNOW.

 

[Parminio]

Wow. You're offended by an idea being called preposterous when it is?

What, are you some sort of social justice warrior for bad ideas?

 

[02GF74]

It takes me back to Schrodinger's cat: to me when I was young, the cat was always dead until you looked in the box and proved he wasn't. It's the typical assumption flaw we humans are taught as kids and carry with us for most of our lives; sometimes all of it.

It's a very difficult thing for we humans to accept the fact that the cat is both alive and dead at the same time. Most people will go their entire lives never being able to comprehend it.

There is nothing to be ashamed about in not understanding quantum theory, didn't Einstein cast doubt on it by saying "God does not play with dice", and he was a very clever geezer.

 

[Parminio]

There is nothing to be ashamed about in not understanding quantum theory

I never said there was. I made a point of my initial thoughts as a kid.

Why you make everything a personal insult against you is anybody's guess. My God, you must never go out anywhere. You're probably offended by people drinking decaffeinated coffee.

 

[ouchez]

Is it just me …….
Or does no one else think this is one of the coolest things they have seen since walking this little planet
After seeing this it reaffirms my belief that there is no possible way we are alone in the universe we may be special and unique in our limited belief of things but on the grand scale we are really just infants in the universe I can see at least 25 galaxies in this one alignment picture from the Webb telescope I’m very excited to see what comes from this amazing piece of technology in the futureView attachment 83164

These are great postings. Yes we have been visited by beings from another dimension and or another planet. I don't like bringing this up on this forum as many of you will mock me or insult me but I will say and tell a few things to you, ready?

I have been researching and studying the UFO and the Abduction claims since the early 1960's, it has been a part of my life, and I do have many other interests. The things I now mention I have come to the conclusion after much research are 100% true. I am personal friends with a Marine and a Special Security Airman who have had a very close Encounter with a UFO and it's occupants and the Airman was abducted along with his partner while protecting a nuclear missile site in Dakota and the Marine walked on the crashed UFO and had communication with it's occupants, 100% true. I also know of 2 Airman Medics who were abducted while on a weekend camping trip and badly sickened and burned and violated. I know of 2 men fishing that were abducted and given physical examinations. I know of a man and wife camping in the Mojave, professional people, that had an extreme close encounter followed by an abduction that would curl your hair in fear. There is also Betty and Barney Hill Abduction, the JAL flight over Alaska that had an amazing UFO encounter, the Travis Walton Case, and last but most amazing of all the 1994 Ariel School close Encounter and communication with more than 62 witnesses being of multiple races, and countries and religions at that school. What I mention here I know to be 100% true encounters. I am far from having all the answers, but I know these have changed my life greatly, in many ways.

 

[Parminio]

I have been researching and studying the UFO and the Abduction claims since the early 1960's

That is something I have never done.

Although I'm on the record as thinking it's unlikely we've been visited by aliens from another world, one can't rule it out of the realm of possibility. A dear friend of mine that died of Covid last year thought as you do. He was also a relatively religious man. He hit me with this a few years ago and I must say, the idea has merit:

Since the earth is only about 1/4 the age of the known universe, and humans have only been around roughly a million years, surely there's a planet out there that's been around far longer with a population of beings no less than 10 times our age - at our pace of advancement now, don't you think we'll be close to where so-called alien ships are within, say, another million years of evolvement and technology? And if that's possible, what if we last 200 million years like the dinosaurs did. How far along will we be by then?​

The man had a point.

 

[Coastal Grey]

I don’t believe for 1 minute that we as a species will have a 200 million year reign nope nye not happening
Just a feeling

 

[Parminio]

I don’t believe for 1 minute that we as a species will have a 200 million year reign nope nye not happening
Just a feeling

You're probably right. But the theory is sound.

 

[Screwloose]

Not sure how many motorcycle forums include the intellectual make up of this group. I have no empirical evidence, but will go out on a limb and say ”not many or ”less than more”. Carry on.

Absolutely.

i’ll bet most people on this forum already have not just the ‘Periodic Table of Elements’ memorised, but also the ‘Standard Model of Elementary Particles’.

There are some clever cookies on this site .

 

[desert_max]

For the record, I have been a passionate amateur astronomer more than two decades. I have literally a room full of astronomical gear with instruments ranging in aperture from 50 to 300mm. I have spent countless hours under dark, dry desert skies peering upward. I have detailed logs of thousands of observations. Of course, the Messier objects, then the Hershells, Caldwell, Bernards, etc.

Once I had a strangely ethereal connection while observing a twin globular cluster at the same moment that a coyote began yipping nearby. It raised goosebumps on my arms that the two coexist in the same reality.

To me, the notion of considering our little insignificant mote of dust as containing the only life in this vast universe is pretty short-sighted. We will probably find signs of past life on Mars very soon. We will likely find life either under Enceladus's ice or in Titan's methane madness - possibly on the inferno that is Venus. That's just in our backyard. Then there's the rest of it all. That's all I'll say on the subject.

But if the simple first image that the Webb produced above in infrared, focused on a guide star amazes you, contemplate Hubble's Ultra Deep Field for a few moments. Imagine looking at a RANDOM blank spot in the night sky through a soda straw held at arm's length. That is the image frame of this particular view. Just a handful of these objects are stars. The rest are island universes - better known as galaxies.