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VMike
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They've already taken over here brother. Southern California is now North Mexico! True ****'n scoop!
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alorio1
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Youre tax dollars at work Rusty...........
ouchez
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Obama loves it, liberals love it, I find it disgusting and threatening to me and my family.
Israel for Jews, the US for Natives, Europeans and Blacks descended from slaves.
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Israel for Jews, the US for Natives, Europeans and Blacks descended from slaves.
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wildweasel_pt
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So Europeans descended from slaves? You need to go study your history mate. Just food for thought my country was founded in 1143AD and existed long before that. We used to own half the world in the 1500s (Treaty of Tordesillas). We were able to trick the spanish and got the better half (Maritime routings for India and Japan - portuguese were the first western men to trade with japan). The lands of what is now USA used to belong to Spain and Mexicans descend from spanish people... The only difference is that North American colonnates were (pre 1762) mainly made of british (east coast), dutch (PA, CT, DL NY, NJ), french (midwest and east of Texas not including Florida) and spanish (most of southern US). These days American are a mix of races and nations, thats why it is called the United States of America (unification of the British colonies and then the Treaty of Paris - 1763 - where most of US became spanish and British).
We do also have immigration problems here, mainly with eastern europeans (and african in the past coming from our former african colonies - most of you doesn't know but we fought a war in Africa for our colonies while Vietname war was on, more or less the same duration in which some of your intelligence departments were involved to learn how we used to operate in that environment, african jungle). I do agree with that if they come to work and not to take advantage of the social system and being parasites of the nation... And i say this for every man, being national or not. I have no prejudice against no one until showing that the one is not worthy of that privilege.
I know this from experience. I lived for a year and half in Del Rio, TX and half of the population were mexican descendants. I must tell you that the only times i witnessed problems it wasn't with the mexicans, even across the border, everytime there were street brawls by the bars at night it was always started by americans (i saw this) don't know if it was due to the drinking age limit wasn't the same but it looked like the Del Rio americans liked to raise trouble across the border with the locals. I never had an issue with anyone over there. There was even a curfew for the military americans (they had to be inside the border by 1 AM) to avoid any "night problems".
Sorry for the long post but before one says anything about this delicate subject, should be able to understand the meaning of all this. Theres is always rotten apples in any race or culture but its the way it is and all need to cope with that... We cannot create a stereotype based on a few poor creatures... Those are the ones that need to be disciplined by the hardest, still legal and possible means to show example for the remain.
A thoughtful post "WW." For years this country has grown not because of the birth rate but because of immigration. With few exceptions, our ancestors came from somewhere else. Enmity towards the newest arrivals is an unfortunate American tradition. Miami real-estate documents had restrictive codicils refusing ownership to Jews. During the 19th Century, as Irish and Italians migrated westward in steerage accomodations aboard ships, once they arrived here, they faced prejudice similar to what they left-behind such as "no Irish (or Italians) need apply." Over time, the ethnicities changed, but the behavior towards the newest arrivals usually did not.
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ouchez
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Weasel, I never said Europeans descendents of slaves,,,where did you get that??:rofl_200:
I said Israel for the Jews, and the US for Natives, Europeans and blacks decendant from slaves. Get it?
You also have a problem with Israel being for Jews?? Because the US sure does not.
I am also not talking about bar fights, I am talking about the future of the US and the major threat from ILLEGAL immigration, I am talking about the survival of the US as we know it. The time for mass immigration into the US is over. Only those with something to offer this country, or a few special considerations, like Chaldeans fleeing persecution in Iraq, should be allowed in.
Diversity in culture, race, religion, does not breed strength, history proves that.
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I said Israel for the Jews, and the US for Natives, Europeans and blacks decendant from slaves. Get it?
You also have a problem with Israel being for Jews?? Because the US sure does not.
I am also not talking about bar fights, I am talking about the future of the US and the major threat from ILLEGAL immigration, I am talking about the survival of the US as we know it. The time for mass immigration into the US is over. Only those with something to offer this country, or a few special considerations, like Chaldeans fleeing persecution in Iraq, should be allowed in.
Diversity in culture, race, religion, does not breed strength, history proves that.
O
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Rusty McNeil
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Sorry guys, I didn't mean to start any thing like this.
I for one love the Mexican culture and people. I think their gov't sucks...And the ones that come over here looking for hand outs, cause we're stupid enough to offer them, suck even more...
The little town I grew up in out in West Texas, Pecos, was 85% Mexican when I left in '82, it's more like 98% now and is still a good place to live. I respect any any one that will work for a living;
My post was more on the whimsical nature of what they find to be appealing..Their ideas of what looks good is sometimes completely over the top,,,but it doesn't make me angry.......just amused.......
...I've got some absolutely fantastic pictures of the Spanish grave yards in Pecos that demonstrate what I see to be a much healthier view of death than we have, and an overall view of what "aesthetics" are to them, it looks like a place to have a party or have a nice little visit, lot's of color and decorations, windmills, benches, awnings, plastic chickens, goats and all kinds of other **** of what that person might have been about in life...
Sorry if my post was coming across as judgmental, re-reading it it certainly sounded that way, and in truth was since I added the one baby at a time comment...Even if it's true
But.....
Please don't lump all these people into one pile, the ones waving the Mexican flag and screaming about taking over America aren't any different than the worst elements of any ethnic group, including what I unapolegetically call white trash that won't work either, they are also little liked by the hard working Hispanics that come here legally (or illegally) to WORK and make life for themselves.....If you lived in Mexico and were a normal citizen I guarantee you you would do anything you could to get out..I use to work with a guy who literally WALKED all the way from Gautemala to Houston back in the 70's, he was like a brother to me for a long time, We hung out togather and I was an Uncle to his children (And he had terrible taste in cars too : )
I can only blame these people for failing to follow the rules but in reality it IS very difficult to legally immigrate....Enough days of watching your family live in a hovel and eating dirt will do make you do what you have to change it. I can't say I have any love for the illegals but also can't say I hold any ill will for those who do break the rules merely to come here and feed their families..........we are the stupid ones for not prosecuting employers for hiring them, unti you remove the bait there is no other measure that will ever be effective (******* wall, yeah right)
...The good ones ARE out there, not all of them are drug smuggling criminals or welfare candidates looking for a free ride, I've worked along side enough of them to know...
For a country (or continent for that matter) to have such tremendous natural resources and a long rich cutlure, (richer than ours ever was in my opinion), to fall into such despair, decay, and corruption is a sad state of affairs that reflects on the state of the gov't there; not the quality of the people.....The countries South of the border all the way to the tip of South America had more potential than we ever had, but were saddled with corrupt gov'ts from day one....Unfortunately they never had their "moment in the sun" like we did where we had the right mix of good men and timing and decided we'd had enought and TOOK control of our destiny.......Yes, Several countries down there emancipated them selves from European rule but the gov'ts that followed were never "done right", After all, The US Constitution truly is an exceptional document, and American exceptionalism is a fact like it or not, VERY few nattions had been able to do what we have done...I also think we will never be able to do it again, our political system runs too much on giving free **** to people to buy votes.
I do still believe that this country does need to control it's immigration and allow only those in that have something to offer at this point, most of the conutries that would criticize us for doing that are ALREADY doing ti..., we have felt sorry for the rest of the world for so long that we are going to bleed ourelves to death trying to fix others problems. It's got to stop somewhere....But it doesn't mean we need to hate those that do want to come here....Hate WHY they Want to come here instead.
I for one love the Mexican culture and people. I think their gov't sucks...And the ones that come over here looking for hand outs, cause we're stupid enough to offer them, suck even more...
The little town I grew up in out in West Texas, Pecos, was 85% Mexican when I left in '82, it's more like 98% now and is still a good place to live. I respect any any one that will work for a living;
My post was more on the whimsical nature of what they find to be appealing..Their ideas of what looks good is sometimes completely over the top,,,but it doesn't make me angry.......just amused.......
...I've got some absolutely fantastic pictures of the Spanish grave yards in Pecos that demonstrate what I see to be a much healthier view of death than we have, and an overall view of what "aesthetics" are to them, it looks like a place to have a party or have a nice little visit, lot's of color and decorations, windmills, benches, awnings, plastic chickens, goats and all kinds of other **** of what that person might have been about in life...
Sorry if my post was coming across as judgmental, re-reading it it certainly sounded that way, and in truth was since I added the one baby at a time comment...Even if it's true
But.....
Please don't lump all these people into one pile, the ones waving the Mexican flag and screaming about taking over America aren't any different than the worst elements of any ethnic group, including what I unapolegetically call white trash that won't work either, they are also little liked by the hard working Hispanics that come here legally (or illegally) to WORK and make life for themselves.....If you lived in Mexico and were a normal citizen I guarantee you you would do anything you could to get out..I use to work with a guy who literally WALKED all the way from Gautemala to Houston back in the 70's, he was like a brother to me for a long time, We hung out togather and I was an Uncle to his children (And he had terrible taste in cars too : )
I can only blame these people for failing to follow the rules but in reality it IS very difficult to legally immigrate....Enough days of watching your family live in a hovel and eating dirt will do make you do what you have to change it. I can't say I have any love for the illegals but also can't say I hold any ill will for those who do break the rules merely to come here and feed their families..........we are the stupid ones for not prosecuting employers for hiring them, unti you remove the bait there is no other measure that will ever be effective (******* wall, yeah right)
...The good ones ARE out there, not all of them are drug smuggling criminals or welfare candidates looking for a free ride, I've worked along side enough of them to know...
For a country (or continent for that matter) to have such tremendous natural resources and a long rich cutlure, (richer than ours ever was in my opinion), to fall into such despair, decay, and corruption is a sad state of affairs that reflects on the state of the gov't there; not the quality of the people.....The countries South of the border all the way to the tip of South America had more potential than we ever had, but were saddled with corrupt gov'ts from day one....Unfortunately they never had their "moment in the sun" like we did where we had the right mix of good men and timing and decided we'd had enought and TOOK control of our destiny.......Yes, Several countries down there emancipated them selves from European rule but the gov'ts that followed were never "done right", After all, The US Constitution truly is an exceptional document, and American exceptionalism is a fact like it or not, VERY few nattions had been able to do what we have done...I also think we will never be able to do it again, our political system runs too much on giving free **** to people to buy votes.
I do still believe that this country does need to control it's immigration and allow only those in that have something to offer at this point, most of the conutries that would criticize us for doing that are ALREADY doing ti..., we have felt sorry for the rest of the world for so long that we are going to bleed ourelves to death trying to fix others problems. It's got to stop somewhere....But it doesn't mean we need to hate those that do want to come here....Hate WHY they Want to come here instead.
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satariel666
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Didnt you? I got your post exactly like him...so whats wrong here pal?
ouchez
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I guess I needed to place a coma, after European. Do you get it now?
Europeans, and Blacks descended from slaves.
O
satariel666
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I got you intentions from the beginning.
I think you just now trying to avoid your mistake and that showing your tru inteligence.
Be well!
And let it be: the importance of punctuation once again!
I think you just now trying to avoid your mistake and that showing your tru inteligence.
Be well!
And let it be: the importance of punctuation once again!
ouchez
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That was uncalled for, "tru intelligence",,, "avoid mistake", I pointed my mistake out. You don't agree with what I wrote, too bad.
For your Info, tru=true, the power of correct spelling. I do not question your intelligence because of a spelling error, don't question mine for missing a coma, pal.
Be well.
O
wildweasel_pt
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No need for personal attacks. I don't think its reasonable even to say that blacks descend from slaves. i can tell you the story about slaves some other time... Sometimes people just should be careful with what they say because it might get badly understood and lost in translation. Im not being sarcastic or ironic just passing my impression of all this... First one should look to himself before starting pointing fingers... This is a broad issue that has lots of strings attached... and should be seen as a whole not by parts....
Rusty McNeil
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I don't know what the context of the statement was but if your talking about the general black population in the US, Cuba, any of the Carribean Islands, and South America the majority most certainly are descendents of slave populations brought over by the Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, French, English and Americans. There is no way around that little tid bit.
The curious thing is the English were the only ones that for the most part refused to mingle thier genetics with these slaves, or for that matter the native populations; at least not any where near the scale that other groups mingled.
Some say it's largely because the English settlers usually brought thier women with them, and that the "slice" of settlers from the other groups was so narrow that they had to co-mingle in order to "bring up" a class of workers that they trusted to handle administrativve and managerial duties, something the english didn't need to do, the English needed raw labor only,.......
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wildweasel_pt
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Israel is a country my friend and Judaism is a religion (the one that embraces it is a jew). Israel is a territory that was parted from palestinian lands by order of the UN in 1948 (UN was mostly controlled by US and british). That is the base of all problems between Israel and Palestine. The second ones claiming that their lands were offered to the exiled landless jews after holocaust. Palestine didn't look at that with good eyes (understandable). Not all of Israelis are jews and as you know jews are scattered all over the Globe. Everyone has the right to belong in this Earth with no special rights or duties... We could talk and talk about all this and terrorism as well and what causes it and so on but before one starts spreading its hatred should understand the origin of all the problems and issues. I take no part when analyzing all this and try to understand what drives people to such and such... I can tell you as an example that not all the "ragheads" are terrorists, and those use the religion in different contexts to justify their actions, those are not the fundamentalists as people call them, those are the fanatics that twist all the teachings and significance of the sacred writings on their behalf and interest... All this to say that we need to be careful not to give prejudice to a creed just because one of them did bad... Punish that one and let the other ones exist in peace.
PS - I've been in most warzones and conflict areas in Africa and Middle East (not including Iraq) and i met and talked with many people about many things and that made me a more humble person regarding this subjects.
wildweasel_pt
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Hey Garrett
I couldn't see it in any other way... I believe gentlemen attend this forum and as far as i know people strive to be as clear and as straight forward as possible. One can always tell his opinion on anything as long as it doesn't get into the rudeness territory. Some subjects are touchy but nonetheless we can discuss pretty much everything... as gentlemen of course... I believe i've never hurt or messed with anyones sentiments, eventhough irony is paramount sometimes, thats just for the laughter and we are all grownups that know how to behave right? :th_peace:
i completely agree my man. My previous comment wasn't directed at you.
Dude, your country (and mine) is built on diversity of culture, race and religion! What place has more diversity?
:ummm:
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