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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-encryption-sourcecode-analysis-idUSKCN0WH01N

I had an Ipod once, I'm pretty sure it was made out of candy. Most of my Apple toting friends have cracked screens or excessive wear, they are always upgrading and replacing these apparently fragile handsets. I still have a rooted Galaxy S3 and its fantastic in every way, with the possible exception of substandard security which I was not aware of until recently.

I have a new found respect for Apple for not buckling to the FBI, I had no idea that their encryption was good enough to keep out the most intrusive and overpowered agency in existence. This is a very serious perk considering said agency has a rich history of violating rights with impunity.

Regardless of who says what, this is a precedent setting case. If Apple looses it's a serious blow to everyone except the FBI. If Apple wins, everyone wins except those looking to violate your rights. It would warm my soul to know that if my phone were seized or stolen it would be utterly useless, even to the feds! I get a chubby just thinking about it haha.

Should Apple rein victorious in these proceedings I will almost certainly switch over to iPhone related to my burning distrust of the federal govt. Does the outcome of this case have any connotation to you? Will it effect your next phone purchase? Will this effect you at all?
 
I carry a cell phone but I do not own it. It is company issued, as has been every cell phone I ever carried. I get whatever is included in the plan. Currently a S5.

I think Apple has a good chance of winning in the public eye. But, do you think that they will not assist the FBI behind closed doors?
 
[email protected] said:
I carry a cell phone but I do not own it. It is company issued, as has been every cell phone I ever carried. I get whatever is included in the plan. Currently a S5.

I think Apple has a good chance of winning in the public eye. But, do you think that they will not assist the FBI behind closed doors?
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I doubt like hell that the FEEB's need any assistance behind closed doors Mike....in fact I'm certain they cracked any codes that phone had and long ago bared any secrets it held.

As Casey mentioned, this is a precedent case, the FBI already knows how to breach Apple's security this is all about doing it with judicial approval.

In keeping with the thread.....I don't own a cell phone, 'disposed of it properly' when I sold my business back in '07....wristwatch too and never missed either! :punk:
 
[email protected] said:
I carry a cell phone but I do not own it. It is company issued, as has been every cell phone I ever carried. I get whatever is included in the plan. Currently a S5.

I think Apple has a good chance of winning in the public eye. But, do you think that they will not assist the FBI behind closed doors?
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I really hope not, I know the FBI determined and very well funded but I'm not putting their collective IQ anywhere above that of the general public and sure as hell not above that of Apple programmers. I hope they actually have no way of cracking it without help from Apple. I had not thought of that point, which is strange because that sounds like the first thing I would think of.

I just buy my phones 2-3 generations old, pre rooted because I dont trust myself not to brick a phone, then I slip my Straight Talk sim into it then write the whole thing off at tax time. I would probably not have a cell phone if not for self employment anyway.
 
I dont know.....I'm kinda on the fence about this one. It has been proven that the telecom industry has been in bed with the federal government for many many years. So whats to think that apple ISNT already working with the federal government.

Look up the term Security Theater.

Can apple turn down a request that has been granted by a federal judge? Having to go thru a judge to get a warrant...etc, is a check and balance that is put in place to safeguard rights. So thats been passed, how can apple still say no?
 
Not fond of apple, cherry for me, please.

I carry, in my pocket, the very same device (newer version of course) that I carried back in the 70's, 80's, 90's, 00's, and now currently. It has served me extremely well all these years, and I'm not about to change brands now.


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Security theater is the practice of investing in countermeasures intended to provide the feeling of improved security while doing little or nothing to actually achieve it.
 
Traumahawk said:
Security theater is the practice of investing in countermeasures intended to provide the feeling of improved security while doing little or nothing to actually achieve it.
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Strange concept that, oddly enough, can have minimal benefits....kind of like a house of cards providing temporary shelter.....

"While it may seem that security theater must always cause loss, it may actually be beneficial, at least in a localized situation. This is because perception of security is sometimes more important than security itself.[11] If the potential victims of an attack feel more protected and safer as a result of the measures, then they may carry on activities they would have otherwise avoided. In addition, if the security measures in place appear effective, potential attackers may be dissuaded from proceeding or may direct their attention to a target perceived as less secure. Unsophisticated adversaries in particular may be frightened by superficial impressions of security (such as seeing multiple people in uniform or observing cameras) and not even attempt to find weaknesses or determine effect."
 
dannymax said:
Well imagine that....an "unidentified entity" who'd a ever thunk it! :icon_rolleyes:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ju...r-san-bernardino-iphone/ar-BBr2M5P?li=BBnb7Kz
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This comes as no surprise to me. The FBI itself probably added a new contract employee to its ranks k. The process. For Apple look at the "Jailbreak" scene for developers. There are a few extremely knowledgeable tech savvy enthusiasts out there who know more about the iPhone than Apple does. I would be willing to bet one of them stepped forward and collected a nice paycheck for it.

Android backers have a similar group over at the XDA forums. There is always someone who will find a way in, it is just a race between encryption developers and those who strive to break it. Right now encryption whoever is winning since after all they successfully broke into a system that has already been rendered obsolete.
 
News this morning.. FBI cracked the I-phone.. They are no longer looking for assistance from Apple, and no longer looking to bring up a case against the corp.

Heard this in the car driving in this morning.
 
dannymax said:
I doubt like hell that the FEEB's need any assistance behind closed doors Mike....in fact I'm certain they cracked any codes that phone had and long ago bared any secrets it held.

As Casey mentioned, this is a precedent case, the FBI already knows how to breach Apple's security this is all about doing it with judicial approval.

In keeping with the thread.....I don't own a cell phone, 'disposed of it properly' when I sold my business back in '07....wristwatch too and never missed either! :punk:
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Did you like the line in "Wild Hogs" at the end, where Peter Fonda gives the "Wild Hogs" some advice about wristwatches? A subtle reference to the beginning of "Easy Rider."

If you need a bit of help:
http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/great-movie-easy-rider-1969
 
I'm on the fence only given the situation. I also like that they're so secure. Hence my reason for being an apple holder. I have bounced between the apple and android. But hands down Apple is secure and legit. I know it's a tough topic, but I'm glad they are secure and are not giving in. All of our rights and privileges have been exposed for the world to see in one way or the other. It's nice to know that we have someone big enough saying no we won't give in. I feel for the loss of people and the tragic event, but one incident should not make a company break our right of privacy. The government needs to find a better way of doing their jobs.


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NO ONE WILL EVER CRACK AN IPHONE OF MINE. THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PRY MY IPHONE FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS EITHER!!!!!!!





................'cause I don't carry one, and never will. Nope. Not happening.:biglaugh:
 
jfeagins said:
NO ONE WILL EVER CRACK AN IPHONE OF MINE. THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PRY MY IPHONE FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS EITHER!!!!!!!





................'cause I don't carry one, and never will. Nope. Not happening.:biglaugh:
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So how is the office gonna get a hold of you while your off.......even if its important?:ummm:
 
Traumahawk said:
So how is the office gonna get a hold of you while your off.......even if its important?:ummm:
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I work VERY hard around here. VERY hard, Eric.


I work VERY hard around here at not being very important. :rofl_200:


They actually did have a major issue this past Christmas holiday season, while I was OFF for 10 days. The woman who takes care of the payroll while I'm away managed to fubar the password at the website where we make our weekly Obummer payroll tax offerings. She got us locked out. No one was intelligent enough to actually READ the fine print at that web site in order to go through the steps necessary to reset the account & obtain a new password. They were lucky I actually was home & then even luckier that I picked up the phone.

When I came in on that day off, it took me all of 5 minutes to get us reinstated, and get a new password. WHEW! Otherwise, we'd have made that deposit late, and incurred all of maybe ..........$5.00 in late fees/penalty. (Jim to the rescue) Crisis averted. :icon_rolleyes:

I should have charged them a 3 hr call-out @ OT rates. That's what the union guys out back would have done.
 
I've had iPhones for the last 7 years and the iPhone 3 was pristine when I sold it and so is my iPhone 5 now. I do have a coworker that absolutely destroys phones, toilets, dropped from cars, desk (hourly!) and never updates her phone, so yes they can be destroyed but IMO it doesn't take much to keep a phone safe and unscathed. But then again I have a few things that are over 40 years old and if I could fit into them I would be wearing them yet today!
I use a protective case (Otterbox or Lifeproof) which leaves me worry free of damage, even when riding in the rain/ bugs/ etc. with the phone sitting on the handlebar, I just wash the bugs off when I get home.
The security aspect of it I'm not worried about. I'm not doing anything against the law (besides maybe going to too fast but that is only on closed to public, private locations) or in a large enough population area to worry about a hacker, hell I work in an IT dept. which is probably my biggest area of risk.
 
I believe the FBI used an outside company to crack the phone... so they didn't crack it, but will claim responsibility.
I started with a Motorola Razr, then tried an Iphone 3gs, -not impressed. Went back to Razr. Own a few Ipods my gal bought me for music and still use them. Switched to a Samsung Note 1 when it came out - it has been re-tasked as a full RPN HP-42S calculator.
Own a Samsung Galaxy Note 4 now. That stylus has me spoiled!
 
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