Finally

[Parminio]

Well, except for the frogs.

 

[patate657]

It makes a valid point.

But a lot of the problem is also opinion and denial as I've said before. It was the exact same way back when AIDS was running rampant back in the late 80's and 90's.

People didn't want their deaths to be associated with AIDS because of the stigma that went with it. The person would die of pneumonia brought on by AIDS but they would get the doctor or examiner to just put pneumonia. It was "better" for them that way.

That is still done to this day and is also being done a lot with covid deaths. Nobody wants to be associated as "this" or "that" when it comes to covid, so any time anybody dies of it but the underlying cause is kidney failure or respiratory failure or cardiac arrest or whatever it is, they refuse to associate any of it with covid and then of course launch into conspiracy theories when anybody questions it.

Belief is a powerful thing. It's why roughly 30% of this nation still thinks the election was rigged. It's why people believe in ghosts, UFO's, ESP, the third man on the grassy knoll, what-have-you.

Covid is no different.

Good point made about the Aids reactions.

 

[patate657]

OMG! Are frog legs history now?

 

[Screwloose]

OMG! Are frog legs history now?

I hope so as I've eaten them in France, and tell people they taste like overpriced wonky chicken legs.

 

[Parminio]

I hope so as I've eaten them in France, and tell people they taste like overpriced wonky chicken legs.

So haggis just wasn't gross enough, eh? Had to go to France and eat an amphibian.

 

[Jerry Klay]

There are several problems & issues at play as I see it..
- News is hardly news any more. Every outlet has an agenda.. I am looking for nothing but the FACTs... Very hard if not impossible to find.
- It seems all are in agreement that the protection this vax provides decays over time.. Booster is Strongly recommended.. That said even if I was pro vax I'll be dammed if I am going to let them stick me every 6-8 months.. For how long?? Right now it looks like forever. This virus is not going away any time soon.
- I see this as the biggest win fall for the pharma companies in history!
- The vax is safe.. Based on what? If memory serves the vax has only been available about a year.. maybe less.. Who knows what potential issues there maybe 5-10 years down the road.. NO ONE KNOWS.. that can't be argued. It is a flat lie to state it is SAFE [period]
- If you're vax'ed there is NO question you can still get it.. The statements that the symptoms will be far less... This is speculation at best, as some folks get nothing more than mild cold symptoms without being vax'ed.. At worst, if true about mild or no symptoms, you are walking around contaminating others..
- Pfizer gets full approval.. As far as I understand any medication released to the public by the FDA is a 5-10 year process.. How is this "Good to go" done in I don't know... 18 months??
- Dr that is usually on Fox [forgot the name] thinks a true vax will be available in 2-3 yrs [then FDA review] that will provide 10 yrs of protection, maybe lifetime like the other vax's we have all gotten.. I'm sure his educated opinion, but he seems to be in the know. I would be up for something like that.. A vax that is truly researched, tested and approved.

Full Disclosure:
- I got 1 shot [Pfizer] back when the info released was you were 50%-80% protected with 1 shot, #2 got you to 90-95% or so that what was thought at the time.. I decided good enough for me.. I haven't have a cold in probably close to 20 years, never got the flu shot either.. I have no plan to get the 2nd shot or the booster. My hope is that I get some exposure here and there and my body builds a natural immunity antibody. If it doesn't go that way it is my understanding that the current treatments [therapeutics] are very good with something on the order of 98% survival rates.
My Opinion:
Dr. Fauci needs to shut up and retire..

 

[patate657]

So haggis just wasn't gross enough, eh? Had to go to France and eat an amphibian.

Ole' Guy here wants to know what Haggis is...

 

[Screwloose]

So haggis just wasn't gross enough, eh? Had to go to France and eat an amphibian.

Below are two members of the Haggis family with instructions on how to catch one if your ever over this way. These ones are lovely tasting.

I'm actually an animal lover, so much so that I enjoy eating them most days. But I do prefer black pudding from the Scottish isles where the air and water are nice and fresh, it makes for a perfect fry-up.

 

[patate657]

Below are two members of the Haggis family with instructions on how to catch one if your ever over this way. These ones are lovely tasting.

I'm actually an animal lover, so much so that I enjoy eating them most days. But I do prefer black pudding from the Scottish isles where the air and water are nice and fresh, it makes for a perfect fry-up.


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Look like Dingle Berries...

 

[Parminio]

- It seems all are in agreement that the protection this vax provides decays over time.. Booster is Strongly recommended.. That said even if I was pro vax I'll be dammed if I am going to let them stick me every 6-8 months.. For how long?? Right now it looks like forever.

Not entirely accurate. They're recommending boosters for those who are immunocompromised and elderly. Pfizer recommended a booster after 8 months only because the efficacy drops from 95% to around 85% after that period of time according to their ongoing research.

At first, the CDC under Biden said no, nobody needed a booster shot. Then of course Delta showed up so the CDC once again reversed its decision and then changed the recommendation to 6 months on their own.

To date, no vaccine maker has requested that. At all.

- I see this as the biggest win fall for the pharma companies in history!

Not accurate. The price is regulated and managed by Medicare. That is why the shot is free. They are making money, but not very much at all. They make far more on other things.

- The vax is safe.. Based on what? If memory serves the vax has only been available about a year.. maybe less.. Who knows what potential issues there maybe 5-10 years down the road.. NO ONE KNOWS.. that can't be argued. It is a flat lie to state it is SAFE [period]

Based on ongoing research. To date the death rate for all of the covid vaccines combined is .0018%.

To put that in perspective, you have a better chance of dying using Tesla's autopilot than you do death by getting any of the covid vaccines.

- If you're vax'ed there is NO question you can still get it.. The statements that the symptoms will be far less... This is speculation at best, as some folks get nothing more than mild cold symptoms without being vax'ed.. At worst, if true about mild or no symptoms, you are walking around contaminating others..

Of all the people in Hospitals right now with covid, 94% of them are unvaccinated. It's not speculation. It's fact. Your odds of serious illness after you're vaccinated fall DRAMATICALLY.

- Pfizer gets full approval.. As far as I understand any medication released to the public by the FDA is a 5-10 year process.. How is this "Good to go" done in I don't know... 18 months??

Completely false.

Approval is based on data and nothing else. It typically takes a lot of time for research, but once enough data is collected and it is then presented to the FDA it doesn't take that long at all. For example, Oxycontin was approved in less than 5 months from creation to FDA approval for distribution.

Full Disclosure:
- I got 1 shot [Pfizer] back when the info released was you were 50%-80% protected with 1 shot, #2 got you to 90-95% or so that what was thought at the time.. I decided good enough for me.. I haven't have a cold in probably close to 20 years, never got the flu shot either.. I have no plan to get the 2nd shot or the booster. My hope is that I get some exposure here and there and my body builds a natural immunity antibody. If it doesn't go that way it is my understanding that the current treatments [therapeutics] are very good with something on the order of 98% survival rates.

I wish you luck. I truly do. But you are mistaken if you think your body will somehow magically protect you from the Delta variant.

It will not. There are presently 1,300 people dying every day that though exactly the same thing you do.

 

[patate657]

Look like Dingle Berries...

I looked it up. Now what the hell is Sheep Pluck...?

 

[Screwloose]

Ole' Guy here wants to know what Haggis is...

Robert Burns would be better describing this over me talking nonsense Lol.

Address to a Haggis

Fair fa’ your honest, sonsie face,
Great Chieftain o’ the Puddin-race!
Aboon them a’ ye tak your place,
Painch, tripe, or thairm:
Weel are ye wordy of a grace
As lang ‘s my arm.

The groaning trencher there ye fill,
Your hurdies like a distant hill,
Your pin wad help to mend a mill
In time o’ need,
While thro’ your pores the dews distil
Like amber bead.

His knife see Rustic-labour dight,
An’ cut ye up wi’ ready slight,
Trenching your gushing entrails bright,
Like onie ditch;
And then, O what a glorious sight,
Warm-reekin, rich!

Then, horn for horn, they stretch an’ strive:
Deil tak the hindmost, on they drive,
Till a’ their weel-swall’d kytes belyve
Are bent like drums;
Then auld Guidman, maist like to rive,
Bethankit hums.

Is there that owre his French ragout,
Or olio that wad staw a sow,
Or fricassee wad mak her spew
Wi’ perfect sconner,
Looks down wi’ sneering, scornfu’ view
On sic a dinner?

Poor devil! see him owre his trash,
As feckless as a wither’d rash,
His spindle shank a guid whip-lash,
His nieve a nit;
Thro’ bluidy flood or field to dash,
O how unfit!

But mark the Rustic, haggis-fed,
The trembling earth resounds his tread,
Clap in his walie nieve a blade,
He’ll make it whissle;
An’ legs, an’ arms, an’ heads will sned,
Like taps o’ thrissle.

Ye Pow’rs wha mak mankind your care,
And dish them out their bill o’ fare,
Auld Scotland wants nae skinking ware
That jaups in luggies;
But, if ye wish her gratefu’ prayer,
Gie her a Haggis!

 

[Screwloose]

I looked it up. Now what the hell is Sheep Pluck...?

Fu*k knows mate

 

[Parminio]

My favorite quote about Haggis is from the movie Highlander.

MacCloud - ...you overstuffed haggis!
Juan - Haggis? What is haggis?

MacCloud - it's sheep's stomach stuffed with wheat and barley.
Juan - and what do you do with it?

MacCloud - you eat it!
Juan - how revolting!

 

[patate657]

My favorite quote about Haggis is from the movie Highlander.

MacCloud - ...you overstuffed haggis!
Juan - Haggis? What is haggis?

MacCloud - it's sheep's stomach stuffed with wheat and barley.
Juan - and what do you do with it?

MacCloud - you eat it!
Juan - how revolting!

I remember that..!

 

[Screwloose]

My favorite quote about Haggis is from the movie Highlander.

MacCloud - ...you overstuffed haggis!
Juan - Haggis? What is haggis?

MacCloud - it's sheep's stomach stuffed with wheat and barley.
Juan - and what do you do with it?

MacCloud - you eat it!
Juan - how revolting!

Yes; the peasants are revolting.

 

[hornhuntertom]

How about we offer free nationwide covid antibodies test? Those that do not have the antibodies can then make an informed decision as to whether or not to get the shots. Why are we not trying to find out how many people have had the virus unbeknownst to themselves? Lets see ALL of the numbers. Seems pretty simple to come up with how many in the US have had covid versus how many have died from it. Wonder why we aren't doing that? I have lived a lot of years and quite frankly something is different about this one.....it's not a conspiracy theory to ask questions and expect honest, complete answers. And if those answers are absent or lacking to step back and say no thank you.

 

[02GF74]

- The vax is safe.. Based on what? If memory serves the vax has only been available about a year.. maybe less.. Who knows what potential issues there maybe 5-10 years down the road.. NO ONE KNOWS.. that can't be argued. It is a flat lie to state it is SAFE [period]
- If you're vax'ed there is NO question you can still get it.. The statements that the symptoms will be far less... This is speculation at best, as some folks get nothing more than mild cold symptoms without being vax'ed.. At worst, if true about mild or no symptoms, you are walking around contaminating others..

Wow, there is a lot to digest but I pick up on the above.
Correct. The vaccine is not 100%. No vaccine or medication is, hell eating a bag of peanuts is not safe for some people.
As with many things, it is a trade off of benefits versus the risk. Is flying an aeroplane 100% safe, riding (or driving) a motorcycle 109% safe. Ofcourse not.

Correct again that the long term effects are not known. If you are going die from the virus by selecting not to have the vaccination, then it hardly matter what happens in 1, 5 or 10 years time. And can that not be said for any other vaccine, medication?

Button line is that the short time taken to develop the vaccine is unprecedented and it was trialed to minimise the risk.

There have been a number of high profile anti vaxers who died from covid - it should be a no brainer... but ofcourse it is personal choice.

Whilst I M not following the covid news that clislht, over here we are still getting large numbers of infections, due to high proportion of the population being vaccinated, deathz are vastly reduced.

Top marks to Parminio - I believe your response is spot on.

 

[Parminio]

How about we offer free nationwide covid antibodies test? Those that do not have the antibodies can then make an informed decision as to whether or not to get the shots.

Antibodies are not going to save you. Stop believing that.

If you caught covid, say in March, the antibodies aren't going to protect you AT ALL from the Delta variant. What's more, those antibodies will be gone in a matter of a few weeks to a few months. (Nobody knows for sure as there isn't enough data from unvaccinated people.)

That's why there's a flu vaccine each year - because the flu isn't the same. It mutates over and over and over again. The flu you caught two years ago isn't going to be the flu you catch next year.

The same applies to covid. The Delta variant is much stronger and much more contagious than the original strain was. It's NOT the same covid people caught and survived 6 months to a year ago.

 

[Screwloose]

Wow, there is a lot to digest but I pick up on the above.
Correct. The vaccine is not 100%. No vaccine or medication is, hell eating a bag of peanuts is not safe for some people.
As with many things, it is a trade off of benefits versus the risk. Is flying an aeroplane 100% safe, riding (or driving) a motorcycle 109% safe. Ofcourse not.

Correct again that the long term effects are not known. If you are going die from the virus by selecting not to have the vaccination, then it hardly matter what happens in 1, 5 or 10 years time. And can that not be said for any other vaccine, medication?

Button line is that the short time taken to develop the vaccine is unprecedented and it was trialed to minimise the risk.

There have been a number of high profile anti vaxers who died from covid - it should be a no brainer... but ofcourse it is personal choice.

Whilst I M not following the covid news that clislht, over here we are still getting large numbers of infections, due to high proportion of the population being vaccinated, deathz are vastly reduced.

Top marks to Parminio - I believe your response is spot on.

If I could add to this, although I've been trying not to as I'm just making a statement with good intentions.

I picked up Covid about a year and a half ago. I'm lucky as I hold a level of fitness that is probably above 90% of the population of similar age at 60. For instance I played football (soccer) 3/4 times a week to nearly 50, and still cycle.

I was ill for three weeks, having to change the bed 5 times a day due to sweat, even changed the mattress, thought my head would explode with the coughing, had a sore chest, couldn't taste food, I was in agony.

But I am still here....as all you clever people have guessed What I can say that the politics of this Covid problem I do not listen to as I have little time for governments and reporters and believe they work with each other at times, when they feel like it, and will tell you anything that they feel like at the time, and take no blame if it all goes tits-up.

I can honestly say, you do not want this thing in your body. I'm not the most feeling of people but I said to my wife at the time she must stay away from me. I've had the two jags and keep saying to my wife that we must be carefull and try not to get it, and if it means getting jags that we both do not trust we just have to do it, especially if we want to protect the daughters, one of whom is anti-vax (that's her choice and we do not get onto her too much), but we do as much as we can and that is it.

I think that we should be adopting previous ancient methods such as Egypt where if history was proven to be deliberately distorted then you were put to death, that way everyone could at least believe what they see and read during a crisis such as this, but sadly the lies and distortions from our governments and reporters sway people in many directions. What do they expect.

Anyway try whatever way not to get it or pass it on, because for me it was damn painfull.