Finally

[Parminio]

That's the way democracy works. If you don't like them vote against them. If they win, then work against their policies. When they come up for re-election vote against them. That's what Americans do. Or are you saying that people with different ideas than what you think is right should not be allowed to run for office? I must have missed that part of the Constitution. Democracy is messy and always will be.

Well said.

I used to be a republican. In my heart I still am. But since they've taken complete leave of reality for the most part, I find myself an independent. About the only guy I know (and I know him only socially, not personally) that's a registered republican that hasn't lost his mind is Gabriel Sterling. As far as I know, he's the only republican left alive in Georgia.

 

[Tom Holub]

Clearly. And you dont seem too bothered by the fact that these kids can and will vote your rights away.

You can always vote your dictators in, but you always have to shoot your way out afterwards.

There are more than 100 in our families. Of the 13, we all have kids, most have grandkids, your number is CNN. Fake news. Which brings it to what now genius? Less than 1%. Live in fear. Do so by yourself. I’m not.

The Delta variant makes all of your numbers irrelevant. It is at least 4 times more contagious and more deadly for those who are hospitalized. Sending kids back to the classroom is a death wish for families.

 

[Jerry Klay]

I'm not able to produce for the sake of discussion here the various social media posts and personal encounters quoted/sited by the parents, students and school faculty that depict that fact that these "kids" think socialism/ communism are one and the same.
They are entertaining the ideology(s) as being cool, popular maybe to fit in, to me as it has been presented is like they are playing with fire, as I wrote in the previous post, these kids will soon be voting.

We also have here in Denver two very dangerous individuals actually elected in to office by the "woke" crowd here that are openly Socialist/Communist pin wearing, card carrying members of our local government. One named Tey Anderson/ Denver School board, wears a red and gold hammer and sickle pin during press conferences, the other is Candi Cdebaca/city council . These two in particular make sure they are at every school rally organized against cops, defunding cops or demanding resignation of who ever doesn't agree with them. They have weaponized these school students. This is a blatant and in your face statement against America! Its acceptance, tolerance and influence here scares the hell out of me as I see the incremental erosion of this the greatest country ever, America.

Unfortunately it's everywhere... HORRIBLE.

 

[hornhuntertom]

The Delta variant makes all of your numbers irrelevant. It is at least 4 times more contagious and more deadly for those who are hospitalized. Sending kids back to the classroom is a death wish for families.

Stop spreading lies. Is the Delta Variant More Deadly? Here's What We Know.

 

[ga_max]

Stop spreading lies. Is the Delta Variant More Deadly? Here's What We Know.

Good article, Thanks. From the article...

In fact, the CDC says the Delta variant is “more than 2x as contagious” as previous forms of the virus.

The Delta variant also seems to be affecting younger people in greater numbers than other variants did. In the week ending August 21, people ages 18 to 49 made up the largest group of people hospitalized with Covid, according to preliminary data from the CDC.

And Delta is likelier than other forms to land you in the hospital—people infected with Delta variant are twice as likely to be hospitalized as those infected with the Alpha variant, according to a new study from The Lancet Infectious Diseases.

Give it a read, it's pretty intersting.

 

[Parminio]

Good article, Thanks. From the article...

In fact, the CDC says the Delta variant is “more than 2x as contagious” as previous forms of the virus.

The Delta variant also seems to be affecting younger people in greater numbers than other variants did. In the week ending August 21, people ages 18 to 49 made up the largest group of people hospitalized with Covid, according to preliminary data from the CDC.

And Delta is likelier than other forms to land you in the hospital—people infected with Delta variant are twice as likely to be hospitalized as those infected with the Alpha variant, according to a new study from The Lancet Infectious Diseases.

Give it a read, it's pretty intersting.

You didn't expect him to actually read the article he posted, did you?

 

[gentsvmax]

Tay Anderson is a Democratic Socialist. He's never worn a hammer and sickle pin. The only pin he wears is that of the Denver Public Schools.

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He is, however, more than a bit overzealous. He also has an accusation of sexual harassment hanging over his head.

But that's about it.

That's FAR from "about it"! If you really knew what's up, you'd know the sexual assault accusations are dead and gone! The two people mentioned here get an unbelievable pass from our local media. They both know when, where and how to get away with the ****. I have been at Denver Police support rally's and homeless sweep/clean-ups when these two have showed up to disrupt, stir up, incite, just plain cause **** and don't get one line of negative media coverage for it.
Parmino were you at our MLK march or Juneteenth on the five points? I was! Tay Anderson wore his hammer and sickle pin at both of these events but you wont see any file photo's of that or anything else I described although these events were covered by local media photographers. But you can get a pic of his fall that he claimed was a push from a Denver cop during a homeless sweep.

Now as of this last Wednesday there was a very brutal fight at East high school, black on black, two girl's, captured on cell phone video.
In the video a very large girl is straddling a much smaller girl punching her very hard directly in the face, the big girl's father can be heard saying" wup dat *** Kenya" over and over while another voice is heard saying "dont you touch her" to a person attempting to stop the merciless beating.
This video is still up on the page of a local talk radio host, Ross Kaminsky 630KHOW. I encourage you to look this up and read the page. An example, just one, of how the media cover's for him by not covering this story.

Be sure to read the update from DENVER PUBLIC SCHOOLS DEPT OF SAFETY.
As of now there is still no mention of this fight in our local news casts.

Tay Anderson strongly advocated to first defund then to ultimately remove the Denver public schools SRO's. This and many other such incidents have demonstrated the need and want of these officers in our schools but any push back against king Tay is seen as racist aggression......even coming from me, a Black man who is fed up with the ******** from the politicly confused, reverse racists !!
Gent

 

[hornhuntertom]

You didn't expect him to actually read the article he posted, did you?

The article was posted to specifically refute the statement/outright LIE that delta was "more than 4x more contagious and more deadly than previous strains". And it did EXACTLY that. My contention this whole time has been that this disease is more than 99% survivable and hyped up by the media. I have posted links to back up and support my assertions. I never said covid wasn't bad...just that it is more than 99% survivable.

 

[Parminio]

The article was posted to specifically refute the statement/outright LIE that delta was "more than 4x more contagious and more deadly than previous strains". And it did EXACTLY that.

No, it didn't.

When it results in far more hospitalizations, and more deaths, then it is in fact more deadly. If it weren't, we wouldn't have SURPASSED the death rate now that we had with the original strain back in January.

And yet we have.

And OK, so it's only DOUBLE as contagious. Gee. Does that REALLY make you feel better?

That's like saying you feel better because that 50 caliber bullet isn't 4 times as deadly as that 44 magnum bullet, it's only twice as deadly.

You're still dead.

The original strain of covid was very contagious, right about the same as the common cold. Delta is more contagious than the common cold, flu and even measles.

But I'm really glad that you feel so vindicated by proving it's only DOUBLE as contagious.

Wow. What a freaking hill to die on.

 

[hornhuntertom]

No, it didn't.

When it results in far more hospitalizations, and more deaths, then it is in fact more deadly. If it weren't, we wouldn't have SURPASSED the death rate now that we had with the original strain back in January.

And yet we have.

And OK, so it's only DOUBLE as contagious. Gee. Does that REALLY make you feel better?

That's like saying you feel better because that 50 caliber bullet isn't 4 times as deadly as that 44 magnum bullet, it's only twice as deadly.

You're still dead.

The original strain of covid was very contagious, right about the same as the common cold. Delta is more contagious than the common cold, flu and even measles.

But I'm really glad that you feel so vindicated by proving it's only DOUBLE as contagious.

Wow. What a freaking hill to die on.

Over 99% survivable.....chew on that a while. Everything else you say is just hyperbole. Pretty sure this thread has about played itself out. Best of luck to you and yours.

 

[Parminio]

Over 99% survivable.....chew on that a while.

No, it is not. That's already been explained to you in great detail that you continue to ignore.

Whatever. You're on ignore now. Good luck.

 

[Jerry Klay]

No, it is not. That's already been explained to you in great detail that you continue to ignore.

Whatever. You're on ignore now. Good luck.

Freak

 

[patate657]

No, it is not. That's already been explained to you in great detail that you continue to ignore.

Whatever. You're on ignore now. Good luck.

I'll be putting the Popcorn and Beer away now.......

 

[Parminio]

Freak

Really?

Well, it's this simple: Statistics can and are very often manipulated to make you think you're safer than you are. Example: dying in an airline crash.

What they love to tell you is there are THIS many airline flights but only THIS many deaths so that your odds of dying in an airline crash are miniscule.

But that's not the truth. The truth is: if you are in a airline crash, what are your odds of dying? Well, ask yourself a question: when's the last time you heard of a major airline crash where anybody survived it?

Virtually none.

What's more, they'll consider an airliner taping the landing gate at 2 mph an accident.

They do the same thing with car accidents, only the other way around. The airline industry goes so far as to say you're safer flying than you are driving a car. They use the total car accident deaths vs. total airline deaths and warp the statistics to say what they want.

What they don't do is present the idea of how many car accidents you'll be in during your life and survive vs. how many airline accidents you'll be in and survive.

Fact is, most of us are involved in a car accident at some point in our lives. I've been in 3. Never been seriously injured. But most of us will never be in an airline crash. If we ever are, our odds of surviving it are very low indeed.

They're doing the same thing with Covid and downplaying the odds. They don't want people scared. They want people to continue going out, taking that vacation, contributing to the economy.

They're playing the same game the airline does: there's THIS many positive test and only THIS many deaths so you have only this miniscule chance of dying.

But that's not the whole truth.

Fact is, some of those are people who have tested positive more than once. Another fact is that as time goes on, more and more people are vaccinated and testing positive.

But those vaccinated face little to no chance at all of dying, so it skews the numbers in the direction of no chance of dying. Here's basically how that works:

If you have 100 people positive and only 1 death you have to actually break that up. At this stage, just over half the nation is fully vaccinated with another 20% with at least 1 shot of a two step vaccine.

So that 1% chance of death is false when you consider that at this stage of the pandemic odds are at least 30 of those positive tests came from vaccinated people. What's more, another 20% or so had at least one shot, giving them far better odds of surviving it.

So only about half those positive test, at the most, were from totally unvaccinated people. So suddenly your odds of dying if you're unvaccinated DOUBLE.

And truth be told, it's worse than that. The longer this goes on, the more your odds of dying if you're unvaccinated increase.

In the end, if you survive that airline crash the first time, as you crash over and over your odds vanish. That is what is happening with covid right now.

 

[Screwloose]

I'll be putting the Popcorn and Beer away now.......

When I was younger, in my home town you just stuck your head out the window, and it was like having another TV station for entertainment, and it was free! Now it's all on the internet at £35 per month, but still worth it!

 

[Screwloose]

Well, it's this simple: Statistics can and are very often manipulated to make you think you're safer than you are.

As in your post; in industry figures are manipulated constantly, from the middle right to the very top, it really is a joke, not to mention a terrible waste of money. We are good at paying ourselves to fix our own fu*k-ups.

Who would you believe then, if anyone, to come on the telly and give figures? Who would be a trustworthy person that say 90% of the population in US and UK would say "I believe that person"? I can think of only three, and unfortunately two have passed away.

 

[Parminio]

Well, for me there's a very simple answer to that:

Nearly 650,000 Americans are dead now from covid. If you get vaccinated, you really don't have to worry about dying or even becoming seriously ill. So why anybody would say, "well, I'll take my chances of dying or going bankrupt from a 2 month hospital stay because freedom" is stupid on a level I can't wrap my head around.

Statistics don't enter into it.

 

[rrego]

Really?

Well, it's this simple: Statistics can and are very often manipulated to make you think you're safer than you are. Example: dying in an airline crash.

What they love to tell you is there are THIS many airline flights but only THIS many deaths so that your odds of dying in an airline crash are miniscule.

But that's not the truth. The truth is: if you are in a airline crash, what are your odds of dying? Well, ask yourself a question: when's the last time you heard of a major airline crash where anybody survived it?

Virtually none.

What's more, they'll consider an airliner taping the landing gate at 2 mph an accident.

They do the same thing with car accidents, only the other way around. The airline industry goes so far as to say you're safer flying than you are driving a car. They use the total car accident deaths vs. total airline deaths and warp the statistics to say what they want.

What they don't do is present the idea of how many car accidents you'll be in during your life and survive vs. how many airline accidents you'll be in and survive.

Fact is, most of us are involved in a car accident at some point in our lives. I've been in 3. Never been seriously injured. But most of us will never be in an airline crash. If we ever are, our odds of surviving it are very low indeed.

They're doing the same thing with Covid and downplaying the odds. They don't want people scared. They want people to continue going out, taking that vacation, contributing to the economy.

They're playing the same game the airline does: there's THIS many positive test and only THIS many deaths so you have only this miniscule chance of dying.

But that's not the whole truth.

Fact is, some of those are people who have tested positive more than once. Another fact is that as time goes on, more and more people are vaccinated and testing positive.

But those vaccinated face little to no chance at all of dying, so it skews the numbers in the direction of no chance of dying. Here's basically how that works:

If you have 100 people positive and only 1 death you have to actually break that up. At this stage, just over half the nation is fully vaccinated with another 20% with at least 1 shot of a two step vaccine.

So that 1% chance of death is false when you consider that at this stage of the pandemic odds are at least 30 of those positive tests came from vaccinated people. What's more, another 20% or so had at least one shot, giving them far better odds of surviving it.

So only about half those positive test, at the most, were from totally unvaccinated people. So suddenly your odds of dying if you're unvaccinated DOUBLE.

And truth be told, it's worse than that. The longer this goes on, the more your odds of dying if you're unvaccinated increase.

In the end, if you survive that airline crash the first time, as you crash over and over your odds vanish. That is what is happening with covid right now.

Freak

 

[stevewgardner]

The Delta variant makes all of your numbers irrelevant. It is at least 4 times more contagious and more deadly for those who are hospitalized. Sending kids back to the classroom is a death wish for families.

I will buy contagious, but not more deadly. Because that is the true science behind viruses. If it weren't, we'd still be fighting the Spanish Flu. This bug will burn itself out, but we may never get over the division and derision the politicizing of it has caused. Remember the Trump virus? One of the stupidest things I have ever seen...turning a public health emergency into a political battle. How dumb are we? I for one will quote my daughter, "If the worst thing that ever happens to me is the best thing that ever happens to me, what do I have to worry about?" I choose to live my life, not hide in fear. Every time I opt for someone else to protect me, I have to give up a freedom. Can't do it. Societies exist to come together for the common good and to protect their citizens, not scare the hell out of them just to control them. Choose your own path. Oh, and by the way, when Fauci said to wear two masks, common sense tells us that is because one never worked and he finally admitted it. What a maroon anyone is for believing that malarkey.

 

[Parminio]

Because that is the true science behind viruses. If it weren't, we'd still be fighting the Spanish Flu.

We are no longer fighting the Spanish Flu because a vaccine was made for it and people back in the 1930's & '40's weren't stupid and took it.