Health Care Bill.....

[Thevmaxrider]

Thx, don't mind if I do:biglaugh: One good thing I see here is that the conversation seems to be remaining civil. As long as that is the case and good discussion ensues I will continue to comment. If personal attacks, either way, start I will just ignore the thread.

These topics are definitely emotionally charged. This is a matter of perspective from both sides. People that have a vested interest, no matter what that interest is, in seeing this legislation enacted are as passionate as those of us who do not want it around. I do understand that some form of law is necessary to regulate what insurance companies have been getting away with for as long as they have been around we have to remember one thing. Lawyers are the prime reason that costs are so high. Frivalous lawsuits where moron jurys award millions in damages are the prime mover for high insurance rates and for other costs associated with health care. The cost for a Dr. to have malpractice insurance is through the roof. What would have been more effective, and as a byproduct cost less, would have been tort reform that limits damage claims. I do like the approach that Canada has taken by assigning a $ value to injuries. In this way you eliminate the "need" to sue the hell out of someone as the lawyers won't be chasing you screaming "Sue the hell out of them!!". The only part of the legislation that actually might make some sense is making insurance companies insure everyone, prexisting condition or not. Now having said that I would allow the insurance companies to charge more if you do have a condition that is going to cost them tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to treat though. They are a business and as such they must assign a "risk" to everyone they insure so the fee should be commensurate with the evaluated "risk".

Off the soapbox for a few, have to get some work done.

 

[gamorg02]

Thx, don't mind if I do:biglaugh: One good thing I see here is that the conversation seems to be remaining civil. As long as that is the case and good discussion ensues I will continue to comment. If personal attacks, either way, start I will just ignore the thread.

i'm not sure where i stand on it, but i'm just going to keep my mouth shut for now. i agree with Jim, its nice to see everyone is remaining civil, politics can get so heated. there was a yelling match at the office earlier about it. something i will never talk about at work, along with religion.

 

[dannymax]

This is pretty interesting....is there even a constitutional basis for this health care bill....:hmmm:

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[EvilD]

It is:biglaugh:


Just did some really quick number crunching and at the $920 Billion price tag you will help <10% of the population (~32 million people) at a grand old cost of just under $30k each!! That is a full time job each, and all on others dimes. Get ready folks here it comes:th_butt::th_analprobe::th_love031: and no reach around!!! Remember taxes only go UP!

This bill is only going to cover about 10 million people, 10 mil are illegal, 10 mil can afford insurance but choose to not have it and a few million are already covered under Medicare but never applied for it. so now these people will be getting $90,000 each of taxpayers money. Socialism at its finest.

 

[Thevmaxrider]

i'm not sure where i stand on it, but i'm just going to keep my mouth shut for now. i agree with Jim, its nice to see everyone is remaining civil, politics can get so heated. there was a yelling match at the office earlier about it. something i will never talk about at work, along with religion.

Amen to not talking religion or politics at work. Of course I just got sucked into a political discussion about this new legislation less than an hour ago here. Was surprised that several of my colleagues, who are Canadian, don't like this law either. Something about how the US is exceptional, whether good or bad, and that the love of our personal freedoms is the underpining for our society. They see this as chewing away at those very freedoms. I found this to be an interesting tack on the issue as it were. One even went so far as to point out the fact, even before I did, that most of the "issue" in the US around health care is nothing more than media hype. Most states already have programs in place that provide assistance to those who are in need of health care and that this law is not only redundant, but removes the ability of the individual states to take care of their own populations. More later.........

 

[Rollie]

Whenever you can vote yourself a raise, using other peoples $ , the only problem is eventually you run out of $. The way of his health care, controlling 1/6 th of the nations economy, is it starts the trend of controlling us by controlling everyones health , therefore he continues to try and control us and begins to bring us down to the social & economic level of the European countries rather than bring them up to our economic level. One other neat thing about this bill is the Congress & O'Bamas family , it does not apply to them ! Nuff said on my rant. :bang head::bang head::bang head:

 

[tothemax93]

There are 11 states right now, and as many as thirty that are prepared to file law suits as soon as Obama signs the bill. The federal government is over stepping into individual states rights. Also, there will be many lawsuits challenging the constitionallity of the bill. :bang head:
Obviously, It's unconstitutional, But with a left wing socialist president, comes left wing socialist judges.:bang head::bang head:

 

[MoPure]

Whenever you can vote yourself a raise, using other peoples $ , the only problem is eventually you run out of $. The way of his health care, controlling 1/6 th of the nations economy, is it starts the trend of controlling us by controlling everyones health , therefore he continues to try and control us and begins to bring us down to the social & economic level of the European countries rather than bring them up to our economic level. One other neat thing about this bill is the Congress & O'Bamas family , it does not apply to them ! Nuff said on my rant. :bang head::bang head::bang head:

Exactly !!!! That's what it's all about. I could give a shit really about the health care bill. It's the control, i.e. loss of freedom that has my blood in a boil. They haven't been able to get guns yet, so they're taking every little thing they can leading up to that point. Once we have enuff idiots voting for idiots, the guns will be gone. I don't see this taking very long now. "With guns we are citizens... without guns we are subjects." I'm sure a lot of you on here took an oath, as I did, to protect the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. As far as I'm concerned, right now, we have no enemy as great as our domestic enemy. The political bunch on the hill. I don't recall that oath containing anything stating that the protection had to be carried out through legal channels such as voting. I see nothing wrong with a "whatever it takes" approach! The only problem I see is getting "whatever it takes" gathered and organized. I will stop here because I'll be typing all night if I don't. <blood boils>

On the other hand, Switzerland sounds nice
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/754.html 

 

[ghostntheshell]

An interesting time for sure:

1.) I think healthcare should be free. It should be considered a benefit of living in your Country. I realize nothing is free. I realize it will be paid for in taxes... BUT...

2.) I do NOT support welfare. I think it should be renamed Workfare. Everyone is cable of making an income. Even people on Workfare, likely using the healthcare system would be contributing. IF you are not pulling your weight...

3.) You don't get to benefit. Plain and simple.



I agree that the Government is slowly eating away at the Liberties of the citizens. Guns are next, America, and if you give that up - I really don't know what to think.

It will start small. Likely in the form of legislation. Small registrations, and renewals here and there. Then certain forearms will be restricted to certain people, then certain firearms will not be allowed.

Basically they will likely try to legislate you out of your guns. Easiest least intrusive measure. It may take some years, but it's coming.


I realize 9/11 was significant - but governments, even our own, are using that blood as a the ink for the blank checks they are writing to ensure that private liberties are eroded.

The Patriot act was the 1st step. Rushed legislation in the name of "security" that removed a lot of your rights. Who could say no to fighting terrorism?

The bank bail outs (which you folks should have burned down the Whitehouse over) that Bush started - and Obama finished. An overwhelming majority of Americans did not want a bail out. They ignored you, took the money from YOU and gave it to the world richest to cover their own mistakes....


What's next?

 

[ghostntheshell]

I watched the swiss video.

THAT'S the way America should be.

 

[mattness]

nobody cares anymore. its sad really.

why even vote? theyre all garbage.


there are a lot of people on welfare living in cardboard boxes that can vote. but people on welfare in cardboard boxes didnt make this country!!

sometimes the majority isnt right

 

[spursmech]

unk: Hey, alot of them people in boxes did make this country or fought for your right to bitch about how things are going. Like Merle Haggard said in the 60's if you don't love it , leave it, see how that works for you. Both sides have been trying to pass something like this for many years. I'm sure some good will come out of it. Keep Praying, Spur

 

[mattness]

unk: Hey, alot of them people in boxes did make this country or fought for your right to bitch about how things are going. Like Merle Haggard said in the 60's if you don't love it , leave it, see how that works for you. Both sides have been trying to pass something like this for many years. I'm sure some good will come out of it. Keep Praying, Spur

i have nothing against vets, first and foremost. while people living in boxes may have literally physically built this country with their bare hands. it was rich people way high up on the food chain that told them where to lay the stone. and to be honest i think a lot of people would hop on over to another country if it was easier to integrate. financially and culturally.

a lot of people say they care about the USA.. but honestly... how many times a year do they step aside and honor a vet?.. how much money do they send to their favorite politician?

it reminds me of a poll i read about before i graduated. it was interviewing people who said they cared "very much" about hurricane katrina... yet how much money did they send? 0

on a scale of 1 to 10 how much did they care about starving kids in africa? of course a 10!! they cared a lot about starving kids... well apparently not.. because when asked about how much food or money they sent... 0

noone cares anymore. and if someone honestly did try to start a revolt, they would prolly get assassinated by the fbi..

i dont know how many people watched george carlin when he was alive but he had it dead on.

YOU voted... YOU f'd all this up!!



heres a test to see how much you care...

the governor of your state has just passed a bill into law stating that everyone on a motorcycle has to have reflectors on their bluejeans..

oh darn.. that sucks.. lets go buy some reflector strips..

a roadside bomb in iraq just killed 300 american soldiers.

aww thats too bad, change the channel!! miley cyrus is on!!!

your local walmart 2 minutes away from you has all of its front doors jammed. forcing all 500 people to exit the building through the receiving doors.

oh hawt shit!! lets go check it out!!!


p.s. im ion a crapload of meds right now

 

[mattness]

i think people are set in the fact that nothing changes anymore. people are more worried about the next ipod coming out than whether or not gasoline is gonna be 20 dollars a gallon.
when was the last time we had to worry about food being on the table? because i bet a lot of people around the world have that going through their head, while we whine about our toaster not working, or our finger nail polish being too runny.

what we need is a big ass wake up call. i mean a freakin A bomb hitting us from asia lol

now that would make some people "snap out of it"

 

[dannymax]

i think people are set in the fact that nothing changes anymore. people are more worried about the next ipod coming out than whether or not gasoline is gonna be 20 dollars a gallon.
when was the last time we had to worry about food being on the table? because i bet a lot of people around the world have that going through their head, while we whine about our toaster not working, or our finger nail polish being too runny.

what we need is a big ass wake up call. i mean a freakin A bomb hitting us from asia lol

now that would make some people "snap out of it"

I wouldn't count on it mattness...not for any length of time anyhow.

6 months after the 9/11 attacks the roadsides were littered with the tattered remains of those little plastic flags that everyone bought and stuck all over their vehicles so everybody else could see how patriotic they were.

Couldn't even be bothered to dispose of the American flag properly!

Made me fuckin' sick!!

 

[Rollie]

O'Bama said in his election rheteric that any bills coming to his office for signature would not be signed for 5 days , after the people had a chance to see and understand it. How long did he wait , 37 hours !! Another lie to go with the rest. Did you hear what Biden said in his ear ( not knowing he was miked ), when he was introduced ? " This is a big fu__king deal ". What a ego ! We won , we can do whatever we want now !

Disagree with the next thing coming being guns. It's gonna be the " value added tax " , cause all the European countries have it. He has to have $$$$$$$ coming in to pay for his new economic society. More $$$$$ will come in through the existing health insurance companies. They are gonna be like the utilities. They provide a service , per the gov't regulations and specifications , and give their profits to the gov't so it won't look like single payer for a while. Guns come later as they know we're not gonna give 'em up without a fight. And that fight ain't gonna be pretty.

 

[06VMAXIMUS]

They are gonna have a hard time taking my guns from me! Like the saying goes: "when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers".

 

[Theemax]

The government running healthcare?!? WTF? As far as I am concerned healthcare is only a "right" for Veterans of war. Anybody remember the Walter Reed scandal?? People on state aid get better health care than our wounded vets, and that is just f-cked up!!! I did my four years, was not in any war, and I DO NOT FEEL THE GOVERNMENT OWES ME HEALTHCARE. You all wait and see how screwed up this becomes when big brother and all his red tape steps in to help you with your "healthcare".

 

[Redbone]

The government running healthcare?!? WTF? As far as I am concerned healthcare is only a "right" for Veterans of war. Anybody remember the Walter Reed scandal?? People on state aid get better health care than our wounded vets, and that is just f-cked up!!! I did my four years, was not in any war, and I DO NOT FEEL THE GOVERNMENT OWES ME HEALTHCARE. You all wait and see how screwed up this becomes when big brother and all his red tape steps in to help you with your "healthcare".

A recent example of how the goverment run healthcare may go for us is the flu "epidemic". Barry was on tv assuring everyone that there is more than enough vaccine to go around and everyone needs to get the "cure". When time came for the distribution there were shortages, lines around the block and other telltale signs of a goverment run program.:bang head::bang head::bang head:

 

[vmaxride06]

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