Tom, you are right, the only time the mid-size Cleveland was adapted for use on the small block Ford was the Boss 302, which used the huge intake port Cleveland heads, which were similar to the GM 'porcupine' heads having different geometry for breathing. That made them not fun to drive around town, but plenty of power on the strip! People who wanted enhanced drivability used reducers between the exhaust & the ports to narrow the opening for better flow at the dragstrips but this is not the typical use most cars get. Cheap, effective, and easy to do. I had a friend on the fire dept who had a Boss 302 he bought new & his piston skirts collapsed, an expensive re-do, & apparently a common problem w/this model.
Here's some info on the small block Fords, looks like the 351 Windsor had more in common w/the 302 than the Cleveland. I think the Cleveland & Windsor had different deck heights, though you could buy special intake manifolds to mix & match blocks & heads among them.
http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/How_to_identify_SB_Ford_heads_without_pulling_them
I was more up on this stuff when I had a couple of Fox body Mustang GT's. I also built a mild 351W for a Ford van I had for nearly 20 years. It would run up to 95 mph & was 'drag-limited,' too big a hole in the atmosphere to go any faster, but who drives that fast?
I think they consider the 351 W & Cleveland 'small blocks,' the FE (like the side-oiler 427's in the 1960's NASCAR & the Cobra) was a big block, as was the replacement 429 'Thunderjet.' That became the 460, & the engine family was the '385' series, I had one of them, an early 429. This is not to be confused w/the Boss 429, which was a racing homologation model only, not really a good street engine, unless you were into racing, and by necessity was made to allow Ford racing to use it.
I used to read lots on the vehicles, but was never a racer. Plenty of guys here have the dirty hands to show how they got their knowledge, most of mine came from hanging out w/friends who had the $ to spend, or were racing, like my friend whose dad was an Indy car owner from the early 1950's until about 1980. No smoking in his garage w/drums of methanol stockpiled for his racers!
Here's some info on the small block Fords, looks like the 351 Windsor had more in common w/the 302 than the Cleveland. I think the Cleveland & Windsor had different deck heights, though you could buy special intake manifolds to mix & match blocks & heads among them.
http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/How_to_identify_SB_Ford_heads_without_pulling_them
I was more up on this stuff when I had a couple of Fox body Mustang GT's. I also built a mild 351W for a Ford van I had for nearly 20 years. It would run up to 95 mph & was 'drag-limited,' too big a hole in the atmosphere to go any faster, but who drives that fast?
I think they consider the 351 W & Cleveland 'small blocks,' the FE (like the side-oiler 427's in the 1960's NASCAR & the Cobra) was a big block, as was the replacement 429 'Thunderjet.' That became the 460, & the engine family was the '385' series, I had one of them, an early 429. This is not to be confused w/the Boss 429, which was a racing homologation model only, not really a good street engine, unless you were into racing, and by necessity was made to allow Ford racing to use it.
I used to read lots on the vehicles, but was never a racer. Plenty of guys here have the dirty hands to show how they got their knowledge, most of mine came from hanging out w/friends who had the $ to spend, or were racing, like my friend whose dad was an Indy car owner from the early 1950's until about 1980. No smoking in his garage w/drums of methanol stockpiled for his racers!
The 302 is a small block and the Cleveland is a big block........Your vast knowlege amazes me tho.........If I knew half of what you know my head would probally explode!...........:biglaugh:..............Tom............BTW, Kyles mustand looks awsome!.......unk:
