9/11 Tweets

[ZackDaniels]

Context is everything. He was stating he wouldn't allow a repeat of Japanese internment camps that sprung up in WWII.

"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

I mean I guess that's still a smoking gun if you support the mass detainment of legally immigrated and US Citizens based on nothing but their ethnicity or religion. I don't. I'm sore about the promise of shutting down Guantanamo and then not doing so. I don't have faith that Romney will be able to get it done either though.

 

[choctaw]

Come on guys you know ole Zack there is from Chicago ,,,so you know he is toying the line for Obeyme....the worst president in history!!!

 

[Itgoes]

Come on guys you know ole Zack there is from Chicago ,,,so you know he is toying the line for Obeyme....the worst president in history!!!

That's laughable! It takes balls to say that after the last president left on his ass with the lowest approval rating EVER! The current republicans won't even mention his name!! LOL

The stock market has doubled in value after the Bush financial collapse, Corporate profits are at an all time high, and the bleeding of 800,000 job losses a month was reversed.

And I haven't even mentioned the pain he has inflicted on terrorists around the globe.

All this with an unprecedented amount of obstruction from the republicans!

That's an amazing job!


Don't let your hatred blind you to the facts.

 

[Itgoes]

You guys have some short memories! LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6bmEv2-rFA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMVdh8vdJfs

 

[MtnMax/Magniac]

Talk about short memories. In the first vid, it was brought out that most all economists believe the collapse was the result of long-term policies, which began well before his administration. As far as his proposing bailouts, if it didn't work then, what made Zero think it would work now? Oh, that's right, the wrong person did it then, but the right person can do it now. Give me a break.

As for the second out-of-context blurb, that's all it was. We hear half a sentence, neither the question, nor the full answer. Take a few disconnected words and spin it how you like.

 

[ZackDaniels]

Come on guys you know ole Zack there is from Chicago ,,,so you know he is toying the line for Obeyme....the worst president in history!!!

Pulling for a guy and getting annoyed when the same soundly defeated misinformation is repeated time and time again and when quotes or photos are taken completely out of context are different things.

I'm a moderate on the fence sort of guy. I don't vote for people based on where they're from, how they speak, or what they look like. I vote for them based on what I believe they will get done.

McCain had my vote last time until his campaign pulled the Palin publicity stunt. After that I would have rather voted for an actual elephant instead of a risking Palin be anywhere near the oval office. Romney has yet to turn me away but the proposed budget plan so far looks pretty damning.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...omney-would-add-trillions-deficit-while-obam/

Independent analysts say that Romney's plan is so vague that it's difficult to know how his plan will impact the federal budget. What are missing are the politically sensitive details on which programs he would cut and which tax breaks he would reduce. What we do know indicates his plan will drive up deficits, potentially a great deal.

Those same analysts also say the ad exaggerates the deficit reductions that would come from the Obama plan.The savings could be less than $2 trillion over 10 years.

So Obama's plan has been analyzed independent analysts and found to be advertising more than it will actually save (big shock), but the Romney plan will not only fail to cut down the deficit but looks like it will actually increase it. I hope his campaign manages to iron out those details before the polls open rather than focus on twitter and finding more ways to prevent potential Obama supporters from voting. (Voter ID shenanigans)

 

[MtnMax/Magniac]

Of course the Obama administration doesn't want voters to have to show proper ID. However, if I want to buy liquor or ammo, or many other things, or if I happen to be stopped by law enforcement for any reason, I have to show proper ID. What's the difference? I have no problem with showing my ID at the voting booth, what's wrong with requiring it of everyone? Could it possibly be that it would make voter fraud harder to accomplish? Think ACORN here.

 

[ZackDaniels]

Because one is buying booze for personal use and another determines who represents a body of people?

Because the number of fraud cases voter ID could prevent is <2000 over the last 10 years, or 0% of the total votes. Meanwhile the voter ID laws getting put in place lock out millions (that's more than 0%) of voters. I don't have figures on the number of people buying booze and ammo without ID but I'm going out on a limb to assume quite a bit more than that over the last 10 years even with current legislation.

Because the people who don't have ID are often lower class senior citizens with no passport or drivers license and they don't have issues buying booze.

Because voter ID has been openly confessed as an election ploy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8

Turzai defense of this comment, law, and program is thus far not convincing the U.S. Department of Justice

 

[Itgoes]

Of course the Obama administration doesn't want voters to have to show proper ID. However, if I want to buy liquor or ammo, or many other things, or if I happen to be stopped by law enforcement for any reason, I have to show proper ID. What's the difference? I have no problem with showing my ID at the voting booth, what's wrong with requiring it of everyone? Could it possibly be that it would make voter fraud harder to accomplish? Think ACORN here.

Personally I have nothing against it either......although the actual real cases of voter fraud are virtually non-existent.

For it to be pushed now in an election year in only Republican run states, is blatant voter suppression, that's obvious.

There is not nearly enough time for those who don't have proper ID to get it before the election. Many of them don't drive......a drivers license is the only photo ID that probably 80-90% of the people in the country have.

I just watched a Judge hearing argument in PA explain how his ID that identifies him as a Judge on the State Supreme Court, and can be used for access through any door in the court complex, would not qualify as ID to vote with the new law. It's because it doesn't have an expiration date.

 

[ZackDaniels]

There is not nearly enough time for those who don't have proper ID to get it before the election. Many of them don't drive......a drivers license is the only photo ID that probably 80-90% of the people in the country have.

The response to this problem so far as been to deploy DMV folk to various low income areas and run off dedicated free 'vote only ID cards'. To me this is more hours and materials required of state employees, and possibly contracted designers etc.

In other words, the Republican party which is pushing for this and tax cuts is OK with using state funds to help poor people obtain ID to solve a non-existent problem. I'm not ok with that **** from either party.

Meanwhile this same party is trying to instill confidence that the details on their deficit reduction plan are OK to be filled in after they're elected to office. That's the plan I mentioned earlier that so far as been found to actually cost more money than it saves.

Obama isn't perfect, but between him and his supporters, and Romney and the current Republican party so far I'll be voting blue again this year. There's a lot of time for them to change my mind, but ridiculous birther misinformation and twitter **** ups isn't about to do it.

 

[paulibiker]

I'm tired of the spin on both sides.

IMO The problem is the system, it attracts egotistical individuals that think they know whats best for everybody.

This countrys "best & brightest" are making millions doing something else. Let's face it, public office has not been a "noble" profession for quite some time. So we are stuck with picking the best of the worst.

 

[ZackDaniels]

I'm with you there man. I haven't been 100% behind any politician... pretty much ever. It always seems to boil down to a lesser of two evils decision and that's really unfortunate.

 

[MtnMax/Magniac]

So I guess you guys think it's OK for just anyone to go to the voting booth and vote, citizen or not, legal or not. The problem with that should be pretty obvious. To paraphrase: why is it OK to make every citizen buy health insurance, but not make anyone prove he is a citizen? You are trying to make it into a partisan conspiracy when it's actually just common sense. I guess you also support the government's lawsuit against Arizona for trying to enforce a federal immigration law which the feds refuse to enforce. We're already a good way down the slippery slope, maybe too far to get back to level ground.

 

[ZackDaniels]

Do you vote? That's not how it works. They don't just let people walk into the voting booth.

You first have to register to vote - for that you need a social security number, address, etc. That is then crosschecked to registration, former and current drivers license, and/or history of residence.

Once registered you get a card mailed to you (or group home if you're on hard times). You have to then show up to vote with the card. Once the card is punched and checked off it's no good anymore.

There is some room for fraud in there but not a lot - in fact less than 2000 cases across all elections held in the U.S. over the last 10 years combined. Not a single election could have been swayed by the number of fraudulent votes.

It's not a problem at all. I don't support throwing time and money at something that's not a problem. Especially when the additional and completely unnecessary security level will lock out hundreds to thousands of legit votes per election.

As to healthcare there are a few things you should know.
1. You already pay for the uninsured. Medical offices are for profit and they build loss into their fees the same as any retail company builds theft into their prices. The last time I was in the ER it was over $1000 and I was seen by a doctor for roughly 20 minutes. A large chunk of that paid for somebody who couldn't.

2. A leading cause of bankruptcy in the U.S. is unexpected health costs.

3. Healthcare costs make up roughly 1/3rd of GDP.

That system is very badly broken and in need of serious reform.

:edit:
You mentioned immigration.
Being a white middle class American I honestly don't care much about immigration one way or the other. My job description typically requires higher education, drug tests, and background checks. Nobody is hopping a fence and taking it. It is however at risk of being outsourced to other countries so upper management can enjoy lower costs and higher personal bonuses, and so I care about financial regulations and limiting bonuses on CEO's that can offshore 1000's of jobs and the like a whole lot more than who is here legally. I have my opinions on it, but they're really low on what I look for in an elected official compared to deficits and skyrocketing health costs (that directly cut into my paycheck because employer provided insurance continues to move with them instead of to my raise I haven't had in 5 years).

 

[MtnMax/Magniac]

I'm happy that your job is not in jeopardy from some illegal alien. However, jobs are only a very small part of the problem with illegals. We spend over $300 Billion dollars annually on illegals, from health care to education to housing to food stamps, on and on ad nauseum. The liberals in DC, as well as here in California, spend more on illegals than on our own elderly and other needy. Not to mention the costs of imprisoning and maintaining the criminals, drug traffickers and others. A few fruit picking jobs are a drop in the bucket compared to the real costs of illegals. I strongly support LEGAL immigration, but I don't know why anyone would want to come here legally, when they can just hop the non-existant fence and get more freebies than natural-born citizens.

 

[ZackDaniels]

Why do you keep picking foot notes on my responses and dragging it to a new discussion? I'm glad you're informed on illegal immigration, but I'm not so I can't go back and forth with you on that one. As I mentioned it's not high on my priority list. It appears it's high on yours and that's great. I really mean that too. I urge you to look at each candidate's immigration policy and cast your vote for whichever has the better plan to do something about it and hold it much higher than baseless accusations, following foreign customs when in a foreign land, and ******** twitter posts.

That's all that drew me out into this thread to begin with. I get really annoyed when that kind of stuff sways people's opinion on who they wish to elect. Find some issues you care about, and vote for whoever presents the best solution. Mention those figures and a highlight on why Romney is the better candidate to do something about it. Don't peddle twitter posts and smear campaigns.

 

[choctaw]

So you do have a valid I.D. Zack?,,,,,, but you are just so worried about the poor disenfranchised people that don't,,,,I really don't know all the laws in other states and will not claim to but here in TN you are required to carry a photo I.D. at all times if you are above 18,,,so this law changes absolutely nothing here as I would suspect is the case in most states. It's just another excuse for you liberals to call the GOP racists,,,Please enlighten us and tell us what is SO HARD about getting a photo I.D.,,,,,and by the way I was just kidding about you towing the line for Obeyme until you just said that you voted for him and plan to again,,,,WOW !!!! I mean I know several people that voted for him last time but not a single one is voting for him this as they have wised up to what his real agenda is,,,,well hopefully it will just be you and itgoes voting muslim this time around.:bang head::bang head::bang head:

 

[ZackDaniels]

I explained all that already and said nothing about racism. :ummm:

My issue plain and simple:

... using state funds to help poor people obtain ID to solve a non-existent problem. I'm not ok with that ...

I would have voted for McCain but Palin as a running mate killed that idea. I didn't like the odds of an idiot running the country.

Barack Obama is not a Muslim. Find a different reason to not vote for him.

I haven't made up my mind on who I'm voting for yet. Romney's financial plan needs some refinement before the polls open though. Not a big fan of increasing the deficit even more.

 

[tothemax93]

Joe Biden makes Sarah Palin look like a Rocket scientist.

 

[Bill Seward]

Remind me to stay away from any rocket she's working on.

This is totally related to this thread - but if you really need a laugh after all this political ********, Google "Buttrocket". Don't be drinking any coffee or beer anywhere near your keyboard when you watch the video.....

OK, back to the political ********..........