9.43@142mph!!!!!!!

[RJ RJ RJ]

fast, you don't have to justify your purchase to anyone here. The new Max is going to be a terrific bike. And, if the only way you're going to be happy is if it's the fastest ride on the street - you're screwed.

no you dont have to justify it but this is a Vmax fan club here and that comes with a few pre reqs right? like we all love the bike so you dont gotta explain.

now as far as being happy even if its not fastest sort of reminds me of "well if winning dosent matter then why do we keep score?".... i will say it: if the bike cannot win the street light grand prix AND post serious numbers at the track then it has missed its point for being.... VMAX is about dominating in those regards.... else why not just call it a "star-road-liner-warrior-thunder-astroglider" right? why invite ridicule by calling an infamous reputation into question by not having th bike perform.... dosent make sence right?

everything i have read recently say this is the best vmax ever and will scare you to death with it power and acceleration.... those are good signs . And this first news of a 9.43 quarter is also good news.... and whats also good here is the bike is what ,40% larger engine with about 20% more power? so tweaking could equate to more power (one writer has claimed that the tires are the bikes big limit anyway so...)...

All in i think you could justify it by saying its the baddest thing in production....
Will busa owners still love their bike when they are not the fastest stock bike in the quarter?

 

[QuarterHorse]

RJ - Your missing the point it seems about the average rider on a bike. The same rider on a new VMax I guarantee won't be as fast down the quarter as he would on the Busa or 14.

Would I go out and say that nobody has run a 10.8 on a stock 1st gen? Again, you missed the point. I didn't say they wouldn't, I asked where all the bikes/riders are at? I haven't seen a one post on here running close to that stock. If I'm so wrong, post it up haha.

I can't speak for all Busa owners but I can say I won't loose sleep, as the 680 brick of a bike isn't coming close to dethrowning a bike that weighs over 150lbs less with the same rwhp. Here's where I differ though, if it does, congrats, I may go buy one when they come off their astronomically high price.

 

[QuarterHorse]

I'm done, you and your blindingly loyalty to Yamaha isn't going to see the obvious in numbers alone. Those guys running 9 flat on a stock 'Busa are in a world of hurt by a bike with the same rwhp weighing 150+lbs more. Hahaha

I get that it's a VMax forum, I owned one, I still talk to a few people on here face to face. I am not however and never have been dyed in the wool (insert brand here) however open to the world of physics and simple things like HP/Weight ratios, weight transfer, aerodynamics, which have the Max comming in second to a lot of bikes. Thus it's not going to be the fastest motorcycle, I'll place bets if you'd like. Keep them small though I'm a poor kid.

 

[2stangs69-91]

nobody on the planet is running 9 flat on a stock ALL Stock busa..Post a video. Just watch Super Bikes they just tested the new hyabusa I think one guy finaly cracked a 9 after riding all day. Most were low 10's. this was on all stock Suzuki suplied test bikes. to even argue how fast the new vmax will be is pontless. We will all know soon enough. But i would prepare for a bunch of crying suzuki and kawasaki owners lol :looser:

 

[QuarterHorse]

Ricky Gadson went bottom 9's on the '08 on Superbikes what are you talking about?

I don't know how many times I can post that I hope the VMax does put them to shame. I have zero vested interest in any brand of motorcycle. I don't understand the slanted views.....

 

[QuarterHorse]

Oh I'm sorry, he went 9.3 stock trapping more mph, and with a pipe and program went into the 8's. For some of you guys getting so worked up over this you gotta have stock invested in Yamaha or something! Haha I don't know why I try to debate, so here it is on the 14 and the Busa, have at it.



Big-Bore Factory Sportbike War Escalates
by: Jack Korpela

It has never been more evident that the major motorcycle manufactures are paying close attention to what's going at the drag strip.

Suzuki, creator the 1340 c.c. Hayabusa, and Kawasaki, creator of the 1352 c.c.ZX-14 have become engaged in an epic battle for straight-line supremacy.

In 1999 Suzuki took the two-wheel performance industry by storm by releasing the Hayabusa and overtaking the Honda CBR 1100XX Super Blackbird as the world's fastest production sport bike. The Hayabusa quickly became the late-model motorcycle of choice among drag racers and seemed to antiquate anything previously produced.

The Hayabusa remained largely unchallenged until 2006 when Kawasaki upgraded its legendary Ninja ZX-12 to a beefier ZX-14. After review many critics favored the ZX-14 over the Hayabusa.

Welcome to 2008. Suzuki responded to its competitor by heavily revising and upgrading the Hayabusa. Along with several other improvements the displacement was increased by 40 c.c.s and the compression ratio was increased from 11:1 to 12.5:1.

Just how much better did Suzuki make the new Hayabusa? We asked the first man to put a street bike in the sevens, Brock Davidson of Brock's Performance Products. Davidson was one of the first men to ride the new Hayabusa.

"It's unbelievably fast. There's no comparison between the old Busa and the new Busa. They look like the same bike, they act like the same bike but the new Hayabusa does everything better. It makes more power everywhere," Davidson said.

After getting the machine to ring-up 177 horsepower at the rear wheel on regular high-octane pump gas, Davidson set out to see how quick he could make the new Hayabusa go at the drag strip.

"The numbers on the dyno were very encouraging, especially on pump gas through the stock exhaust," Davidson said. "That's unheard of."

Davidson's team then performed minor modifications to the bike by adding a front end lowering kit and three positioned dog-bone lowering links to the rear to get the bike as low as possible. A Brock's Performance Ultra Lite Clutch Mod was also added to smooth out the machine's power.

"The back torque limiter in the new Busa is the same as the old Busa," Davidson said. "It makes smooth actuation very difficult for drag racing."

Finally Davidson removed the factory break-in oil and added his Alisyn less than zero weight lubricant.

This virtually stock machine was then transported to the fabled Atco Raceway, in Atco, N.J. to assess its quarter-mile capabilities. Davidson drafted 140-pound rising star Richard Gadson, nephew of well-noted Kawasaki factory backed rider Rickey Gadson, to handle the riding responsibilities.

After just a few runs Gadson recorded an impressive 9.32 at 150 mph. So just how much better does this make the new Busa than the original version in released 1999?

"Back then a good rider would get into the nines," Davidson said of the 1999-era Hayabusa. "A real good rider would be able to get them into the 9.70s."
So in less than a decade the Hayabusa has improved by nearly a full half-second of performance. "It's all in the engineering from the factory," Davidson said. "The engine has 16 titanium valves, larger intake cams, larger exhaust cams, and it's got a two-millimeter additional stroke which gives it more torque. It makes the thing easy to ride. It has so much low end power it gets the bike moving for big riders." At this rate we are on-pace to see stock motorcycles running in the eights within the next few years.

"My prediction is witha Brock's exhaust on the bike, the fuel injection mapped out, and a little tweak here and there, I expect the 2008 Hayabusa to make between 200 and 205 horsepower at the rear wheel.I expect it to run in the 8.80s at nearly 160 mph. That's pretty amazing for a stock motorcycle with a few bolt-ons."

Davidson's predictions were indeed lofty. Following the team's trip to Atco NHRA Pro Stock rider Chip Ellis held the record for quickest and fastest stock street bike with bolt-on components (no engine machining, stock wheelbase) with a 9.04 at 155 mph on Davidson's 06 ZX-14 last season.

Davidson came very close to making his bold 8.80 predictions become reality just a little over a month after the Atco trip. Davidson added one of his exhaust systems, a Power Commander, and a few other aftermarket pieces to the machine and Gadson became the first rider to break the 2008 Hayabusa into the eight-second zone with a stellar 8.991 at 155 mph in Gainesville, Fla. in early November.

"Suzuki knew what they had to do the same way Kawasaki knew what they had to do against the previous version of the Hayabusa," Davidson said. "They are both very fast motorcycles and it's neat to see the factories competing with this Ford-Chevy rivalry."

So how does the 08 Suzuki compare to the 06 and 07 ZX-14?

At the same event where Gadson went 8.99 on the new Hayabusa, NHRA Pro Stock rider Chip Ellis fell just two-hundredths of a second behind, recording a 9.01 on Davidson's 06 Kawasaki ZX-14 with nearly the same modifications that Gadson had on the 08 Busa. Later that evening as conditions improved, Ellis rode the 08 Hayabusa, dubbed "Chronic," to an unprecedented run of 8.91 at 156 mph.

On top of the the slight edge in performance Davidson admits that he's had two years to develop and refine the ZX-14, whereas he's still learning the new Hayabusa.

"After two years worth of experience on the 06 ZX-14, if that thing can go any faster with stock bolt on parts, I sure don't know how," Davidson said. "The new Busa we are still learning and we will get it to go quicker. They are both very quick bikes but The 08 Hayabusa definitely has a slight edge over the 06 and 07 ZX-14."

So the clear-cut winner is the Hayabusa, right? Hold the phone.

Kawasaki was well-aware the new Hayabusa would be a serious threat and announced in late 2007 that the 2008 Kawasaki would be upgraded as well.

Kawasaki didn't revamp it's machine nearly as much as Suzuki did, but they probably didn't need to. Remember the ZX-14 is only entering its third year of development and perhaps only needed minor refinement, compared to the Hayabusa which hadn't been dramatically changed since its inception in 1999.

"Basically the new ZX-14 is the same bike with some fine tuning," Davidson said. "They have updated several components to fix some of the small problems they had. It's a very comfortable bike and it has awesome brakes. My gut feeling is the 08 ZX-14 might make a tad more horsepower on the dyno than the Busa."

The end result of this factory war is two very quick production sportbikes that are now even more so equally matched.

"We're living the good ol' days," Davidson said. "As the factories go at it, we benefit as people who like fast motorcycles. It's an exciting time."

So here's the million dollar question - Which one is the all-around suprierior machine, the 2008 Suzuki Hayabusa or the 2008 Kawasaki ZX-14? Davidson says at this point its too close to call.

"I Thought I had it all figured out, but it's just too close," Davidson said. "Here's the bottom-line, if one bike is racing the other and the riders are similar, whoever makes a mistake is going to get beat."

Adding to the parity is the fact the machines are nearly identical in cost, both with price tags just under $12,000.

Perhaps the only clear-cut winner at this point is the consumer.

And the war rages on.

 

[Neil-3446]

Haha not at all. I'm not biased one way or the other. I'm a realist, not a purist.

There was an article about an 85 running 9's with nothing more than a carb kit and header/pipe combo. How many do you see doing this? The 1st Gen also was supposed to net a 10.85 stock. How many do you see doing it?

I hope I'm wrong about the Gen II I really do, I'm just a realist though, and doubt something that heavy, with the amount of HP advertised is gonna lay down a mid 9.

Of course Barney is a freak 1/4, but, I was pulling 10.30+ all day long back in the 80's when I weighed 127 lbs.

Closest Max around here now is a 1990 with 150 lbs. onboard, stage 7 and a kerker open header in the 10.80's constant.

I'm losing weight and awaiting my delivery, so we shall see. Already down to 154 and 5 more weeks of ASA will burn about 12 lbs I hope :biglaugh:

Toothpick strapped to a tornado coming soon :clapping:

Neil

 

[lankeeyankee]

I will say this, The new 1320 CC Hayabusa stock out of the box is bad ass!! When I was at the dragstrip 2 weekends ago for the mega bike shootout I seen many new ZX14's and the 08 Busas. Some were bone stock and the others were modded out to turbos etc.
A guy I used to drag race with 15 yrs ago Henry Finn bought a new Hayabusa and was at the track with it. Henry is a well respected drag racer along with a good street bike strip rider meaning he knows how to holeshot a bike and body posture and many other details to get the best numbers down to the track.
He is small 5ft 7 and weighs no more than 160 lbs. He is running 121 MPH in the 1/8th mile with it BONE STOCK !!
There is no way in hell the new 09 VMAX will do that!! I see the new 09 VMAX hitting 112-115 in the eighth mile. with the avg joe riding it.

 

[2stangs69-91]

Quaterhorse lol first thing the hyabusa in your test was riden buy a pro rider on a specialy prepped bike..It was no way stock they also used Zero weight oil. that has zero to do with your average rider comment.

lankee yankee could you send me the crystal ball you are using for your high quality reaserch ...because as far as I know nobody has even dynoed a 09 Vmax to even come close to a prediction lol. you guy's and your predictions of how the new vmax will run are REDICULAS. what bikes will be faster becuse a pro rode a special prepped bike and blah blah blah..

it is allot like who would win in a fight king kong or godzilla

 

[Jayhawk]

FWIW, I've watched that episode of Super Bikes!, and it wasn't Gadson. It was Jason Britton (stunter) being coached by Gadson...and he wasn't riding a Busa...it was a 14. Other than that, you were right on.

 

[Jayhawk]

WHAT??? "regular" (unleaded) guys cant run 9s on the busa????

Does suzuki know this??

Just to add fuel to the debate, bone stock BKs are running in the nines...

Was hoping to get to the drags this weekend, but it never happened.
Anyone else got any times to boast about ?
Anything to aim for ? Stock or modded ?

Only 2 i have seen so far were both bog-standard.

gary2112......
60ft was in 1.66
330ft was in 4.37
660ft was in 6.51 @ 116.97mph
terminal speed at 140.61mph in 9.87 seconds

and Bec from Brisbane......
60' 1.68
330' 4.32
660' 6.46
ET 9.903
Again no mods or tricks, dead stock as it came from the showroom.

Linkage

OK, boys, keep whippin' 'em out...we'll figure out who has the biggest one. :clapping:

 

[QuarterHorse]

Quaterhorse lol first thing the hyabusa in your test was riden buy a pro rider on a specialy prepped bike..It was no way stock they also used Zero weight oil. that has zero to do with your average rider comment.

lankee yankee could you send me the crystal ball you are using for your high quality reaserch ...because as far as I know nobody has even dynoed a 09 Vmax to even come close to a prediction lol. you guy's and your predictions of how the new vmax will run are REDICULAS. what bikes will be faster becuse a pro rode a special prepped bike and blah blah blah..

it is allot like who would win in a fight king kong or godzilla

I thought we were comparing apples to apples, pro rider to pro rider, Max vs Busa? What person can't change out motor oil? Isn't that like changing fuel octaine?

I can see some people want their heads in the sand, it's cool.

 

[KJShover]

looks like this thread should be changed to "if you don't ride a Suz. you aint shit"

 

[Jayhawk]

looks like this thread should be changed to "if you don't ride a Suz. you aint shit"

I just read a thread on the cheerleader board saying, "If you don't like the Max it's because you can't afford one."

I need a shower.

 

[KJShover]

I just read a thread on the cheerleader board saying, "If you don't like the Max it's because you can't afford one."

I need a shower.

LOL, no shit.

umm I didn't know you were a cheerleader :eusa_dance:

 

[Jayhawk]

LOL, no shit.

umm I didn't know you were a cheerleader :eusa_dance:

I hang out over there, too, as I'm still a huge Max fan and probably will own one at some point. However, that mentality just gets under my skin. I'll probably get the boot for not locking step with the lemmings, though.

 

[KJShover]

ahh.

I've been also thinking about a new classic car. I've been missing my old thunderbird. I'm thinking of a 32'ish roadster or a 50's chevy this go around. Here is my old one. Like my max it aint the fastest thing out there, but holy hell did it turn heads.

 

[fastmax1]

All I can say is I have respect for the Busa's, they are quick and not bad looking. I will also say that I'm a die hard Vmax'er and you put a Busa and a new Max side by side - I will always choose the Max. Hell, I put my money down on a new Max before I even saw or heard any of these articles or videos - they just made me that much more proud of my decision. There is a lot of talk about "the real world" and "pro" riding skills and the difference in performance between them. Much talk of "average Joe" in here also. I'd say pretty much the majority of the members here are "average Joe", especially the Busa worshippers. I wouldn't spit out numbers of how your bike is better than mine - just remember, you may be that "average Joe"!!

 

[lankeeyankee]

Well I like the Busa's, BUT.. They are a Tupperware Bike still in my book. REAL MEN RIDE STEEL BIKES!

Basically the BUSA reminds me of Saturn Automobiles ALL plastic. I will let the boys haul ass on there plastic toys as I ride my Legend of steel with big brass balls on my VMAX as you kids with your high sack crunch over in a butt Fuc* postion on your sport bikes.

I will say this, if I was more into dragracing I would have a Busa, but I am a street rider now.

 

[KJShover]

I ride my Legend of steel with big brass balls on my VMAX as you kids with your high sack crunch over in a butt Fuc* postion on your sport bikes.

LOL, Yankee, I saw this keychain the other day, you just reminded me of it. :rofl_200:

http://www.coyoteknifeshop.com/view...ey-Fob__A_Guaranteed_Head_Turner__-__GSKCB100