You wont here me complain without reson. And i just wanted to be honest about the mufflers so if someone else wants to buy them they will know what to expect. If you follow my post you will see that i give credit where credit is do also. Im just saying that for me the mufflers would have been so much more user friendly if the baffle had a better design to change them out. And we shouldent need to beat one into place. Nk...........mike