Harley Davidson Jokes and Bashing.

[maleko89]

The oversize S&S engines are too expensive. It's cheaper to downshift to 4th than spend all that money on that.

IMO, HD would be so much better if they went to liquid cooling and overhead cams and no push rods. In that case, they would get the same performance out of a 80 CI engine. Buell figured that out when he decided to ditch the obsolete air cooled push rod engine. He wasn't smart enough to come up with an engine type that's been around for decades so he outsourced it to Austria. Hmmm, that's just like when HD asked Porsche to design the Vrod.

 

[Heretic]

....metrics if they dont down shift a few gears before the rollon begins there screwed ..... talking rollon power..street power not down shifting and banging gears

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard! Yeah, my V-Max can smoke any 'Busa...as long as they are in sixth gear while doing a 40mph roll on!!! :rofl_200:

Downshifting and banging gears is roll on street power.

Low end torque is only good for pulling boats and tree stumps.

 

[MBreinin]

Well, my friend put a serious gap on me once with his V-Rod when he rolled on in 5th at around 65. I was back there loping along and didn't see it coming. I tried to just roll into it but the Max doesn't really start pulling seriously until the V-Boost kicks in and by the time I found 6k, he had dusted me pretty well. Had I dropped to 4th and gone, he would have been obliterated. BUT, if you are having a roll on race, you certainly want to start from a gear that puts you in the peak of your power curve.

The big twins certainly have big torque...but I can kick his ass with my 450cc Husky doing a 65 to 90 roll. That bike leaps instantly to 90..and then pretty much runs out at that point. Keep in mind that in 6th at 65, I am turning 6500 rpm and the bike makes peak power at 9500. With a good launch, that bike can take most up to 70 or so.

Mike

 

[mivmx]

Q: Why are Harley's some of the safest bikes on the road?
A: You can't go fast enough to hurt yourself....

 

[113s&s]

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard! Yeah, my V-Max can smoke any 'Busa...as long as they are in sixth gear while doing a 40mph roll on!!! :rofl_200:

Downshifting and banging gears is roll on street power.

Low end torque is only good for pulling boats and tree stumps.

40 mph is a little low more like seventy mph but i understand you all lover the max and the metrics i do too.....its a whole different ride with big torque everywhere in the rpm range in the street....knowone talked about 6th gear do 40 except you...thats a no brainer

 

[113s&s]

The oversize S&S engines are too expensive. It's cheaper to downshift to 4th than spend all that money on that.

IMO, HD would be so much better if they went to liquid cooling and overhead cams and no push rods. In that case, they would get the same performance out of a 80 CI engine. Buell figured that out when he decided to ditch the obsolete air cooled push rod engine. He wasn't smart enough to come up with an engine type that's been around for decades so he outsourced it to Austria. Hmmm, that's just like when HD asked Porsche to design the Vrod.

pick up a new 113 or 127 for 5000 probably cheeper then a max motor Mark...hey people love them what can you say...no argument here ....the power performance will show up somewhere in the street ...cant downshift all the time to make power 113 and max in a first gear roll on..the max will be hurting for a while untill it get going 113 will hit 100 mph first.....after that the rpm and tranny is starting to peak two different animals.....the max faster sure is is it more powerfull...hell no

 

[maleko89]

I bought my bike for $5000. I could get an engine for $2000. Is that about right Morley?

I checked with S&S and the 113 has over 110 horsepower at the crank and 120 ft/lbs of torque. So, it has about 35 less hp than a Vmax engine. Torque, yep...113 has it for sure. I was reading some info on other forums and they say that the main bearings give out at 50,000 miles on the 113 and especially the 124's? Any problems with yours? Just curious. Some of the issues were with the Revtech 113's.

 

[maxcruiser]

Not really a joke and not really bashing, but one day at at a local Harley shop with my 67 sporty custom, I go in the shop and there's all kinds of people/bikers everywhere. One guys tells me that it's because there's a HOG (Harley Owners Group) ride and this was the gathering place.

I pick up my oil filter and and head back out to my bike and find a gathering of people around my bike aka "dirty lil bitch" - one guy asks me, is that an evo motor? - another asks, is that a 1340cc? is that kickstart fake? - I won't go into the rest of the story other than to say that I asked if there's a doctor in the house my 67 just puked badly on the ground and may need life support. At the price of these bikes, who do you think is riding them?

Mike

 

[Heretic]

Looking at the prices on the S&S website the 113 starts around $6790.00 and the 124s start at $7,955 and go up from there. The diamond cut, fully polished T124V goes for $12,375! That's more than most of us have in our Max's, and as much as a new 'Busa! With only 110hp and 130ft lbs I don't think a Harley with this engine could beat an equal rider on a mildly modified Max in the 1/8th or the 1/4 mile.

 

[113s&s]

I bought my bike for $5000. I could get an engine for $2000. Is that about right Morley?

I checked with S&S and the 113 has over 110 horsepower at the crank and 120 ft/lbs of torque. So, it has about 35 less hp than a Vmax engine. Torque, yep...113 has it for sure. I was reading some info on other forums and they say that the main bearings give out at 50,000 miles on the 113 and especially the 124's? Any problems with yours? Just curious. Some of the issues were with the Revtech 113's.

112 hp to rear wheel 127 tq not at crank to rear wheel dyno machine....better check again that a fact......good running max to the rear wheel is 112 to 120 hp and 80 tq...is that fair a good running 113 is 112 to 120 hp and 120 to 127 tq your talking over 45 lbs of tq to the rear tire with the same hp....yes revtech when they first came out really had problems...s&s has a good name.... know of three guys with over 100.000 miles i had over 40.000....meterics will run longer with less money invested to keep them running thats for sure.... thats why i could stay in 5th on highway and get to 120mph so fast ... 5th was a better gear then 4th for me....metrics some would down shift, but would run out of gear so quick ..buy the time they up shift im gone........ive done rollons with or against everything its all i did for 15 years....you run your strength and expose other bikes weekness..at 70 mph a max will be in 4th ill stay in fifth and pull the max... start walking away....45 lbs of tq has to show up some where...there talking rear wheel mark not at the crank....

 

[113s&s]

Looking at the prices on the S&S website the 113 starts around $6790.00 and the 124s start at $7,955 and go up from there. The diamond cut, fully polished T124V goes for $12,375! That's more than most of us have in our Max's, and as much as a new 'Busa! With only 110hp and 130ft lbs I don't think a Harley with this engine could beat an equal rider on a mildly modified Max in the 1/8th or the 1/4 mile.

:rofl_200: you guy are all shook up looking at s&s sites...a natural finish 113 nothing fancy you can get or around 5000..look at ultima web sites some compare to s&s prices are 1500 cheeper......look guys i love them all .. you never rolled on the throttle of a big twin at 2000 rpm and the tire lights up with no clutch i enjoy the max just as much its quicker... faster your working it harder its just not more powerfull cant have it all the v twin power has to show up somewhere in the street

 

[MBreinin]

I'll take less power and less weight. You'all like to ride much faster than I do. I don't ever exceed 100 on my Max, I don't trust it at that speed.

I like the combination of 70 RWHP and 220 pounds that the V-Twin 550cc Aprilia SXV550 Supermoto brings to the table. Of course, I am hijacking! :biglaugh:

I would like to feel the oomph of a really big twin. My friend just got a VTX1800. I want to ride that thing. It has something like 140 lb. ft. of torque. Not that quick, but it has some serious grunt.

Mike

 

[QuarterHorse]

I would like to feel the oomph of a really big twin. My friend just got a VTX1800. I want to ride that thing. It has something like 140 lb. ft. of torque. Not that quick, but it has some serious grunt.

Mike

A close friend rode my Max, and a guy at his work has the VTX 1800. He was un-impressed he said. Nice bike, but not up to all the talk he had heard about the VTX.

 

[QuarterHorse]

As far as roll on's go, I guess I beat the shit out of my bike, because if I'm for real gonna run, I'm down shifting AT LEAST 2 gears a lot of times 3 depending on the speed.

I love the twins, I want to build one to this day, I haven't had one stay up yet with me on the highway, (I know there are some that will), I just don't have the pocket book right now to build what I want. FWIW I took down an '05 Buell XB12R last weekend from 60-140. Errrr I mean in this dream I had, as I don't break the law.

 

[113s&s]

I'll take less power and less weight. You'all like to ride much faster than I do. I don't ever exceed 100 on my Max, I don't trust it at that speed.

I like the combination of 70 RWHP and 220 pounds that the V-Twin 550cc Aprilia SXV550 Supermoto brings to the table. Of course, I am hijacking! :biglaugh:

I would like to feel the oomph of a really big twin. My friend just got a VTX1800. I want to ride that thing. It has something like 140 lb. ft. of torque. Not that quick, but it has some serious grunt.

Mike

had a friend that owned two vtx with ppes power commander ect the run about 90 hp and 110 tq no where nere 140 tq...hes one guy i did a lot of highway racing with he owned 102 warrior 1800vtx road start 113 road liner..

fore some reason the harley makes more power then the metrics v twins well i should say the after market motors make more power size for size

 

[MBreinin]

had a friend that owned two vtx with ppes power commander ect the run about 90 hp and 110 tq no where nere 140 tq...hes one guy i did a lot of highway racing with he owned 102 warrior 1800vtx road start 113 road liner..

fore some reason the harley makes more power then the metrics v twins well i should say the after market motors make more power size for size

I think that is because they are aftermarket engines and they are built and tuned to be the ultimate V-Twins. They are not OEM engines with all of their considerations. Does Harley make a single air cooled twin that can hang with the best of the Metrics? No. Nor does the V-Rod, it gets edged out barely. I think it would be great for Harley TO build something of that caliber...that didn't leeak or break. :eusa_dance:

How does the M109R stack up?

There has to be a Metric Twin that can hang with the S&S crowd.

Mike

 

[113s&s]

I think that is because they are aftermarket engines and they are built and tuned to be the ultimate V-Twins. They are not OEM engines with all of their considerations. Does Harley make a single air cooled twin that can hang with the best of the Metrics? No. Nor does the V-Rod, it gets edged out barely. I think it would be great for Harley TO build something of that caliber...that didn't leeak or break. :eusa_dance:

How does the M109R stack up?

There has to be a Metric Twin that can hang with the S&S crowd.

Mike

not from what i seen first hand..but then again the after markets v twins are bigger and more built up like you said...when i had the 113 there was a 109 around he said he would like to go but never did......went with the 113 yamaha walk away pretty fast..walked away from a vrod from first banging gears and highway crushed a 600 gsxr we did 6 rollon he started in 4 5 and 6 gear he was way way behind

 

[Buster Hymen]

Looking at the prices on the S&S website the 113 starts around $6790.00 and the 124s start at $7,955 and go up from there. The diamond cut, fully polished T124V goes for $12,375! That's more than most of us have in our Max's, and as much as a new 'Busa! With only 110hp and 130ft lbs I don't think a Harley with this engine could beat an equal rider on a mildly modified Max in the 1/8th or the 1/4 mile.

OTOH, look at the PCW site and the cost for a done up Max motor, especially the Long Rod motor!!:surprise: And, according to Andre, who had something like $20k into his PCW motor, his stock Busa was faster and pulled harder!

 

[MBreinin]

not from what i seen first hand..but then again the after markets v twins are bigger and more built up like you said...when i had the 113 there was a 109 around he said he would like to go but never did......went with the 113 yamaha walk away pretty fast..walked away from a vrod from first banging gears and highway crushed a 600 gsxr we did 6 rollon he started in 4 5 and 6 gear he was way way behind

What about something like a Superhawk or one of the big Ducatis or Aprilias? Those are big twins. I wonder what their roll on times are like? Of course, those bikes are geared for the whole spectrum and have enormous top speed, so they may lose out in that 80-120 zone. I bet if you took one of the more serious HP Euro twins and geared it down, it would have no problem pulling an S&S equipped hog on a roll. The power to weight ratio would dictate the advantage, even if they lost on torque. Less to haul overall. But, again, we are speculating and doing alot of "what if's".

The thing that scares me is that so many of those engines get stuffed into 15 foot long hard tail choppers. Those bikes have to be death traps.

I think I would quite enjoy one of those big inch S&S motors dropped into a Sportster and set up XR750 Flat track style. THAT would be cool, and look cool too.

I have come to the realization that I really like light bikes. A heavy bike does bring some "solidity" to the table, but a light bike is so easy to ride.

Mike

 

[Rusty McNeil]

I think "roll-ons" per se; meaning trying to race without downshifting, is plain silly, if you're really serious about outrunning someone if youy are not already in your powerband then you downshift to get there.

It's simply a test invented by magazines, in the real world no one cruises at 65 in 5th and tries to race from that gear unless they want to lose.

I've raced a guy at work on his 113ci S&S fat bastard chopper he built and I've beat him like a stepchild from every speed in any gear except in 1st, but halfway thru 2nd I'm still passing him.