helmet or not what do you say.

[dannymax]

It would be interesting to find out if the "Texas Plan" (for lack of a better name) has ever been tested in court. I've got a feeling that a clever lawyer could side step that with something like, "My client has been denied rights that are available to all Texas motorcyclists....................." or some such crap. Doesn't matter that the guy 'chose' to go without a helmet, that's no longer part of the formula.

Kinda like you used to see signs, "Enter at Your Own Risk." That was good till some schmuck entered, got hurt and sued. The courts decided that personal safety can't be relinquished by the individual. The guy won the case. WTF!! :ummm:

As everybody knows, when money and lawyers enter the picture, logic and reason head south!

 

[Redbone]

I always ride with a helmet (leather jacket/gloves/eye protection/riding booths), a full face not a half or three quarter. Just my choice, if you want to ride w/o one, it's up to you.
That being said, the guys that chooses to not wear a helmet (and other protective gear) should have the responsibility for their medical costs the safety gear would have saved them from. Michigan is a "No Fault" state which I believe means that you're responsible for your own ass if you have a accident.
Like Rusty said, the more entry points to the road your travelling on the more dangerous it is.

 

[naughtyG]

Coming from Europe, I've been used to always being forced to wear a helmet since riding my moped at 14. Having said that, in France and England the weather was so **** most of the time I wouldn't have wanted to be out without one.

Now I live in FL and for the first time, I have a choice! I think I've been out on Maxine maybe once or twice without the lid, and that was to run to the shop across the street and back.
Whenever I ride anywhere, I wear my full face helmet. Like Robert, I don't like tasting bugs (I have eaten a fly onceuke, and at 40mph+ I believe you need facial protection from bugs, stones, road grit and whatever else may be flying in your direction. Also at night you can't wear shades, so unless you have clear goggles you need a face shield.

OTOH, on super-hot summer days, I've been wearing an open face helmet with full shield, and I've taken the wife's Twinstar out a few times without wearing any helmet at all. I really enjoy the freedom of being able to hop on either bike without a helmet to potter about or cruise up and down the street - it's like I feel finally liberated and I just have to do it a few times :biglaugh:

But whenever I'm riding any kind of speed or distance, the full face lid is on, as well as boots, gloves and a decent leather jacket at least.

 

[kevman]

In Oz you have to wear a helmet,exemptions no longer apply .I always wear a full face .A friend Diana wore an open face to her 1st accident and was still having plastic surgery 15 years after it.I advised my friend Paula to start wearing a full face and she spent $500 on a shoei .A week later she had an accident with extensive damage to the chin part of her helmet,she then spent another $500 on a new helmet.Fortune favours the prepared.On another note I was dragging a mate in a car .flipped up my visor to laugh at him and a bug flew into my left eye.I ended up on the side of the road with tears streaming down my face.Went to the doctor to get it checked out and he found a steel splinter which was almost grown over inside my eyelid .So all in all I am in favour of fullface helmets ,anything else isn't up to the job.

 

[m-cman]

I always wear one, even in Texas summers. From Thursday a week ago.

 

[dannymax]

Somebody posted a short video a couple weeks ago of a guy with an electric drag bike. He did a street demo (without a helmet), the throttle stuck and he whacked into a car. Another poster said the guy was killed, can antone verify that? Was it head trauma that did him in?

 

[Redbone]

I have friends the ride full dressers and baggers that wear 1/2 helmets. The say they don't need to wear a full face b/c they have a windshield. I tell them that my full face keeps crap out of my eyes and mouth, but it is really there to protect my handsome face! :rofl_200:
M-cman provided a great example of why I wear a full face helmet. unk:

 

[Earlzach]

Somebody posted a short video a couple weeks ago of a guy with an electric drag bike. He did a street demo (without a helmet), the throttle stuck and he whacked into a car. Another poster said the guy was killed, can antone verify that? Was it head trauma that did him in?

Not really sure where your are going with this. If you intend on proving that he died from other injuries in a 'HIGH speed " crash then your not being fair to the argument. Indian larry was only doing about 15 to 20mph when he fell off his bike and died of head injuries. Death from a head injury can be at even the slowest speed. Read my earlier post about only 5% of people died with head trauma of all the people who died while wearing a helmet at all. And of this 5% they had so much other body trauma they most likely would have died anyway. I cant remember the % total of death of crashes where a helmet was not being worn but it was over 50% I do remember. It was high. The bottom line to me is you stand a better chance of serviving with a helmet than without.

 

[Rusty McNeil]

It would be interesting to find out if the "Texas Plan" (for lack of a better name) has ever been tested in court. I've got a feeling that a clever lawyer could side step that with something like, "My client has been denied rights that are available to all Texas motorcyclists....................." or some such crap. Doesn't matter that the guy 'chose' to go without a helmet, that's no longer part of the formula.

Kinda like you used to see signs, "Enter at Your Own Risk." That was good till some schmuck entered, got hurt and sued. The courts decided that personal safety can't be relinquished by the individual. The guy won the case. WTF!! :ummm:

As everybody knows, when money and lawyers enter the picture, logic and reason head south!

In any emergency situation, the victim by law HAS to be treated for life saving measure regardless of insurance status.

The existence of a personal insurance policy by the victim simply gives the care givers subbrogation department an avenue to pursue in the event the victim refuses to pay, rather than walking off scot-free...

No one has ever been denied medical care at an emergency room I've heard of, although there certainly are some hospitals that have huge delays or simply close their emergency room services due to this crap.

In practice I can't sya how ell it really works but phlosophically I think it's a great step in the right direction; since we should all have complete freedom to do as we please short of harming others.....and ******* yourself up becuase you're not wearing a helmet, getting medical care at taxpayer expense because you don't have insurance in my opinion IS harming others......

 

[Rusty McNeil]

Somebody posted a short video a couple weeks ago of a guy with an electric drag bike. He did a street demo (without a helmet), the throttle stuck and he whacked into a car. Another poster said the guy was killed, can antone verify that? Was it head trauma that did him in?

The guy DID NOT die.
Do a search for "killacycle" or "killocycle" not sure which, it's a play on kilowatt.

You'll find their website and can read all about it.

The guy that crashed it wasn't the normal rider, he was the designer, engineer, owner or something along that line that was there to give more explanation on how it all worked.

A better example of an engineer finding out that those guys underneath him that execute, and sometimes correct, his plans have some real worth and aren't just worthless drone never existed in my opinion.

Rusty

 

[dannymax]

Not really sure where your are going with this. If you intend on proving that he died from other injuries in a 'HIGH speed " crash then your not being fair to the argument. Indian larry was only doing about 15 to 20mph when he fell off his bike and died of head injuries. Death from a head injury can be at even the slowest speed. Read my earlier post about only 5% of people died with head trauma of all the people who died while wearing a helmet at all. And of this 5% they had so much other body trauma they most likely would have died anyway. I cant remember the % total of death of crashes where a helmet was not being worn but it was over 50% I do remember. It was high. The bottom line to me is you stand a better chance of serviving with a helmet than without.

Not going anywhere with it Earlzach. I saw the video then heard later that he had died from injuries sustained in that crash. Simply trying to verify that.
I'm in complete agreement with you, if for some reason a fatality is the result of something other than head trauma (in a non helmet crash) then it's simply because the riders head didn't happen to meet with a solid object.
It takes very little to scramble your arithmetic. I've seen lots of cracked heads, very little cracked blacktop and no cracked trees!

 

[dannymax]

The guy DID NOT die.
Do a search for "killacycle" or "killocycle" not sure which, it's a play on kilowatt.

You'll find their website and can read all about it.

The guy that crashed it wasn't the normal rider, he was the designer, engineer, owner or something along that line that was there to give more explanation on how it all worked.

A better example of an engineer finding out that those guys underneath him that execute, and sometimes correct, his plans have some real worth and aren't just worthless drone never existed in my opinion.

Rusty

Thanks Rusty, I'm glad to hear that.

I think he was the owner, but whatever he was he had no business pulling that "high tech stunting" or whatever you want to call it on a public street. I'm just glad he didn't pay the ultimate price for it.

 

[Lew L]

Well just to get back on the subject:


I always wear a helmet!

 

[Earlzach]

Not going anywhere with it Earlzach. I saw the video then heard later that he had died from injuries sustained in that crash. Simply trying to verify that.
I'm in complete agreement with you, if for some reason a fatality is the result of something other than head trauma (in a non helmet crash) then it's simply because the riders head didn't happen to meet with a solid object.
It takes very little to scramble your arithmetic. I've seen lots of cracked heads, very little cracked blacktop and no cracked trees!

Sorry to jump to conclusion with you. Over the years I have seen defenders of "NO HELMET" laws always try to point out that one crash that didnt include a head injury in the reason of death. I wanted to point out that their are many but I would bet they all were at a very high speed or just simply got owned by another vehicle.

 

[gunrunner]

Have no choice on the matter here as its law to wear one:bang head:

 

[Rollie]

Always wear a helmet . Been down twice on the street , neither my fault . Got up , cussed the other driver , called police , other driver got a ticket & their insurance co. paid for repairs. Ask any non-wearing rider in the hospital if they would wear a helment when they get out , guess what the answer is ?

 

[Noxx72]

I'm against helmet laws but I wouldn't ride down to the corner without one.

I don't think it's any of the governments business if you want to ride without, but then again I think a lot of **** isn't the governments business, that's why I'm a Libertarian.