ya not clean enough. I have a vary clean bike like new. I dont feel clean is relative. clean is clean. Might be people that dont know what clean is but clean is clean. Nothing worst than someone telling you that its clean and you drive 300 miles only to find out that the rusted sratched up pile was washed. The world knows if you are buying something and you say its vary clean it should be near new looking. If its clean it would have a new look but might not shine as well as new. anything else is not clean in the sales wourld. it can be clean with some scratchs' if it has scratch''s and its shine is a little less than new looking. Or it can be vary clean with scratch's if it has sratch's and a like new look with a vary good shine. I wish people would just call it what it is.