Well thanks for all the suggestions; I bought all my stuff today. I went to rocky's in burton and bought everything there. There prices were exactly the same or cheaper than ordering through newenough. I got a Tourmaster flex 2 jacket, some milwaukee boots, a HJC CL-SP helmet, and ordered some joe rocket phoenix pants. I really like the jacket, it fits great and has all kinds of adjustability for different temps. Got that for $200.00. The helmet was on sale for $140.00, regularly $180.00. After trying on pants with liners I decided I liked the mesh pants with no liners the best. They just fit better over loose jeans. I figure I can wear them over pants for cool weather and wear them over shorts or underwear in hot weather. I would like to eventually get another set that has no mesh for cold weather. I went for a ride with the new helmet, boots, and jacket, kept me warm and comfortable. Plus it a lot easier to shift with leather boots than with shoes.