The danger of electromagnetic field

[Fire-medic]

"Protection of the Urinary System!"
POTUS

 

[MaxMidnight]

I agree. Probably not a big deal. BUT, The COP mod will solve it anyway. Maybe we should rename it.

Nut savers? :ummm:

 

[one2dmax]

Cock and Ovarian (for the lady riders) Protectors = COP's!!!

 

[Rusty McNeil]

Cock and Ovarian (for the lady riders) Protectors = COP's!!!

I vote for this oneunk:

 

[firefly]

Electro magnetic waves harmful effects are well documented, people living near high tension electrical lines have more incidents of cancer.
I tried to buy that shield but they don't sell it anymore and are now persuading motorcycle manufacturers to address the problem in the design. COPs may help a little but 6 ft from a bike the levels of EMF are still unacceptable.

 

[88vmx12]

Cock and Ovarian (for the lady riders) Protectors = COP's!!!

+1 :rofl_200:

 

[88vmx12]

or.... Cooter and "Oh MY" Protectors "COP's" :rofl_200:

G

 

[RaWarrior]

Electro magnetic waves harmful effects are well documented, people living near high tension electrical lines have more incidents of cancer.
I tried to buy that shield but they don't sell it anymore and are now persuading motorcycle manufacturers to address the problem in the design. COPs may help a little but 6 ft from a bike the levels of EMF are still unacceptable.

That may be, but as said EMF comes from the flow of current, not voltage. A IC engine ignition may be tens of thousands of volts but only a couple amps. I seem to remember seeing somewhere here the Vmax ignition draws around 6 amps.


Your microwave, electric stove, hair dryer can pull two to three times as much current. If the EMF from a motorcycle 6 ft away is "unacceptable" to you, then I sure hope you don't have electricity in your house. Or drive a car. Or go into cities. Or ride trains or the subway. Hybrid or electric cars are most definitely out as well.

And if this really is such a problem, why no mention of the high-current battery cables to the starter? Those might be a couple hundred amps of current while cranking the motor, again right underneath the seat. Better start bump-starting your bike or your balls will be done in for sure. It also says that it "protects the rider's vital organs". Last I checked, your brain and heart and everything else you need to actually live weren't located in your ass behind the shield, so those bits are still woefully un-shielded. Tsk-tsk.

All over the site it says "extensive research", yet absolutely none of this supposed research is presented, no quantitative data, no reviews of his research, and no actual science. The only thing I can tell he did was wave a cheap EMF reader around a motorcycle and declare it's a cancer hazard. Did he get in a car? A train? Did he rule out any extraneous sources of EMF?

Google is not a scientific research tool. There's too much mis-information, skewed articles, and junk science funded by special interest groups out there to cloud the waters. I did a few searches through JSTOR's academic article database(a standard for university research information) and found nothing to support any of motorcycle cancer guy's claims. I found nothing stating safe limits(just that effects were largely unknown). The only link was one article that named EMF as a "potential" risk towards a few diseases, but levels, exposure time, frequency, ect, were all still in question.

Here's a quote

It is not know at this point whether exposure to magnetic fields from power frequency sources constitutes a health hazard. Therefore, it can not be determined what levels of exposure are "safe" or "unsafe". Some studies have shown that exposure to higher levels of this radiation is not necessarily worse than exposure to lower levels. More research is required to identify dose-response relationships. There is some evidence from laboratory studies to suggest that there may be "windows" for effects. This means that biological effects are observed at some frequencies and intensities but not at others. Also, it is not known if continuous exposure to a given field intensity causes a biological effect, or if repeatedly entering and exiting of the field causes effects. In light of all this uncertainty, it is impossible to say what is a "safe" distance from any magnetic field source or what is a "safe" exposure. The only thing possible at this point in time is to make comparisons. For instance, the typical home has a background magnetic field level (away from appliances) that ranges from 0.1 to 4.0 milligauss. Although some experiments with cells have reported effects at field levels as low as 2 milligauss, there is no laboratory evidence for adverse human health effects at this level.

Between a few google sites, the declared "safe" values ranged anywhere from 1/1000th milligauss to 10 for background exposure levels. That's a pretty wide range, hinting that nobody really knows the answer and are just taking potshot guesses.

 

[DMAN999]

I agree with the above post, the risk of any harm from riding my VMax is certainly no more than the risk of living in a technology filled world in general.
After Riding my VMax for over 10 Years, I feel that if I was going to get Cancer from the EMF it creates, I'm pretty certain that would already have happened.
Here is what the World Health Organization has to say on the matter:
http://www.who.int/peh-emf/about/WhatisEMF/en/index1.html

 

[twistedmax]

:ummm:I ve been reading this post and was tending to agree that the affects of exposure to EMF were minimal........................then I REALLY THOUGHT about it.........................................and my balls have definatly gotten bigger since Ive been riding a VMAX :rofl_200::rofl_200::rofl_200:. Although I must admitt they havent grown into the gen II's seat ....................YET:confused2:.

 

[sdt354]

I'd be surprised if this is what takes me out. Worked as a car/truck mechanic since my teens, a stint in the cooling heating industry
Brakes,clutches, insulation, fumes. Then the marine industry (talk about toxic), check out a boat production line sometime. Ventilation, resperators, and toxic warnings are recent. I'm sure a lot of the Bro's here have been through the same thing. Enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fast too.

Tear up the black top while you can.
Steve-o

 

[Redbone]

Ima ganna invest me some moola in tin foil hats, body suits, and special reynolds heavy duty tin foil family jewel protectors.:worthy:
Yep, they make 'em just google "tin cup".

 

[Miles Long]

I'd be surprised if this is what takes me out. Worked as a car/truck mechanic since my teens, a stint in the cooling heating industry
Brakes,clutches, insulation, fumes. Then the marine industry (talk about toxic), check out a boat production line sometime. Ventilation, resperators, and toxic warnings are recent. I'm sure a lot of the Bro's here have been through the same thing. Enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fast too.

Tear up the black top while you can.
Steve-o

Remember the Bricklin?
I worked at the assembly plant for a year. You couldn't see the length of the frame/birdcage assembly shop, because of the fumes from welding.
But that paled in comparison to the body fabrication area, where acrylic panels were bonded to fiberglass substructures. The smell of the adhesive was overwhelming, and the fibreglass dust would take your breath away.
Some of the carpet installers would close the gull-wing doors while they worked, to get a high from the contact cement.
This was in an era when safety protection, including respirators, was largely optional, if available at all.
Workplace safety has come a long way, due in no small part to union organization and implementation. An often overlooked feature of unions, in this era of decertification and union-busting. Just my two cents.
Cheers!

 

[one2dmax]

You worked on the Bricklins? That explains your profile picture lol!

 

[Miles Long]

You worked on the Bricklins? That explains your profile picture lol!

Well......it's true we often shipped out cars with missing parts (to be added later in Whippany, N.J. distribution facility.) The car venture was doomed from the start - great concept- it was ahead of it's time in safety features and design- but put into production too early, without enough R&D. All cars were shipped to the U.S. It was intended as direct competition for the Corvette, but at a lower price point.
Even though only 20 million $ were invested by the provincial government, which is chickenfeed when developing a new car from scratch, the venture was hit with criticism from the opposition party from the get -go. Consequently, the money just dried up, suppliers (Ford and Chrysler mainly) refused to ship parts on credit, the production line was constantly halted.
Still a few of them in my area, brings back memories whenever one goes by.
LONG LIVE THE BRICKLIN!

 

[KJShover]

Still a few of them in my area, brings back memories whenever one goes by.
LONG LIVE THE BRICKLIN!

There is a green SV1 up here, in awesome shape. I think it's pretty cool. The owner gets pissed when other people, that don't know what it is, call it a kit car. :biglaugh:

 

[Miles Long]

There is a green SV1 up here, in awesome shape. I think it's pretty cool. The owner gets pissed when other people, that don't know what it is, call it a kit car. :biglaugh:

Thanks, KJ. Just another reason to head up to AK again, to check out those wheels. Lots like one of the better ones, for sure.
FYI - the "SV1" stood for Safety Vehicle 1, which was Malcolm Bricklin's primary vision when he came up with the car's concept. Extra heavy frame, separate birdcage for the passenger compartment, protective struts around the gas tank, etc. The car was a heavyweight. Also, no ashtray - unheard of back in the early '70's
The acrylic skins came in four colours - Safety green, safety brown, safety orange, safety white. The acrylic was about 3/16" thick- any scratches were easily buffed out. The interiors were all that brown vinyl, no choice of colour.
The acrylic-fiberglass bonding was one of the car's Achilles heels - early cars had separation problems. The gull-wing doors often failed to operate. Eventually manual releases were incorporated into the design.
There was a host of other mechanical , body and electrical issues, most of which were dealt with during production. On a good day, about 20 were pushed thru the assembly line. Many had to be brought back in, or finished out in the parking lot, because of unavailability of parts.
The 1973-74 models came with 360 AMC motors, either auto or 4-speed (which rocked!) the 75's came with 351 Ford Windsors, only auto.
Less than 3000 Bricklins were produced. In my area a good one can be had for about 25-$30,000.

 

[one2dmax]

I know there is one or two in our area but it's been awhile since I have been to many car shows to see if they are still around.

Sean

 

[Rusty McNeil]

Remember the Bricklin?
I worked at the assembly plant for a year. You couldn't see the length of the frame/birdcage assembly shop, because of the fumes from welding.
But that paled in comparison to the body fabrication area, where acrylic panels were bonded to fiberglass substructures. The smell of the adhesive was overwhelming, and the fibreglass dust would take your breath away.
Some of the carpet installers would close the gull-wing doors while they worked, to get a high from the contact cement.
This was in an era when safety protection, including respirators, was largely optional, if available at all.
Workplace safety has come a long way, due in no small part to union organization and implementation. An often overlooked feature of unions, in this era of decertification and union-busting. Just my two cents.
Cheers!

I remember those, and a long interview with Malcom in Car and Driver I think it was defending the then reprehensible reliability record they had.

I thought they looked awesome, with a lot of visual appeal and looking a whole lot inspired by the Ford Pantera's body shape perhaps:ummm:

 

[Fire-medic]

The 'wedge' form is probably a Pinin Farina or Ghia design from the 1950's and as is so-often the case, the Italians seemed to do design better than anyone else. As for execution, well that is a different story! There's a reason FIAT, Alfa-Romeo, Lancia, and other Italian manufacturers have never had much success here.

One of my favorite wedge designs is the deTomaso Mangusta, by Giugiaro (ex-Bertone, ex-Ghia), in the mid-1960's, the precursor to the Pantera. A friend of mine had one in the early 1970's here in FL, and around Miami & Ft. Lauderdale there are many rich people who can afford such toys. Guigiaro did many such wedge designs over the years.

My buddy sideswiped a curb at Dania Beach Blvd. (not far from the Ft. Lauderdale International Airport) going around the cloverleaf from A1A (oceanside road) and cracked one of the Camapagnolo or Borrani cast-wheels. That put it out of commission until he air-freighted another one in from CA in-time for the annual Miami World of Wheels car show in the fall, where I was standing next to it, answering questions of attendees, when Miami Dolphins running back Mercury Morris came up & asked about it. This was just after the Dolphins had gone 17-0 and were on their way to their second consecutive Super Bowl win. Unfortunately, that was their last Super Bowl win! Anyway, Mercury was pretty-interested in it, and my friend eventually sold it, but not to Mercury, as far as I know. Those cars had a supposed design flaw in the rear suspension which made it extremely hard to control at the limits of adhesion. A beautiful body though!

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/detomaso-sports-cars1.htm

Clean, simple lines, no extraneous scoops/slats/wings, though that may be why the handling at speed showed evidence of significant 'lift.' Still, the relatively 'flat' hood, and the convex side profile, w/a sharp crease carried in-between the wheelwells, and the front & rear quarterpanels showing minimal compound curving to complete the body; the grille is nothing more than the outline of the front hood/fenders and the undergrille roll panel which was a neat, economical trick used with great success by the Datsun 240Z several years later.



http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z5599/Ghia-Gilda-Concept.aspx

Here is another Italian style exercise by the coachmaker Ghia, the Gilda (above).

The ALFA "Bat" series of concept cars (below) also championed the wedge low & wide design (perhaps a bit more-blunt, these were from the early to mid 1950's) with some of the wildest tailfins ever!



http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z10320/Alfa-Romeo-BAT-5.aspx

This looks like the Bricklin after taking diuretics! The Alfa Romeo Carabo. Lithe and taut in a way the Bricklin never could be.
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/2287/Alfa-Romeo-Carabo-Concept.html


Here is a British take on the wedge, from an Aston Martin production car of the 1970's. It was the Lagonda, one of the lowest 4 seaters ever produced. Until you see one of these in-person you can't imagine how extreme this auto is! A famous Miami hotelier owned one of these, his wife sometimes would drive it and she was a terror on wheels! Marge and Irving Cowan, who owned the Diplomat Hotel in Hollywood Beach FL. One time I was on a rescue call down the street from their home, and Marge was very impatient to get home. She sat in-line, behind a police roadblock, there so we could tend to the injured patients in the cars. As we were finished loading up the victims who were going to the hospital, the police were getting ready to remove the roadblock. Marge had had enough, when the police officer moved to one side, she immediately whipped-out from behind the ambulance and fire truck, and promptly ran head-on into a car coming from the other way! You had to have been there. It was some other Bentley or a Rolls-Royce.

My friend who is a big Ducati collector (he has an original Tesi two-stroke w/center-hub steering, he bought it new, I was at the dealer when it arrived & he took-apart the shipping box, he saved it!) operates an exotic car repair shop in Ft. Lauderdale. He had one of these Lagondas in his shop for months because it had 'electrical issues.' They had electronic dashboards, very advanced for the time, it looked more like a commercial or military jet cockpit than it did a car. Unfortunately, the instruments were problematic.


http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/default.aspx?carID=17157&i=2#menu

I hope you have as-much fun looking at these as I do getting these up on the site for you. :biglaugh: