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Apparently the NYS tribes have to pony up 25% of the slots take(I think)...expected to be around $50 mil annually. Don't know if the Feds got their hand in here or not....but for certain, they will soon after this precedent.
This is what NYS wants to do or has been doing all along? The population differences between the two states mean more revenue traffic I'm sure so that is why they are probably going after a higher % of revenue vs. what Michigan was able to bargain for.
 
This is what NYS wants to do or has been doing all along? The population differences between the two states mean more revenue traffic I'm sure so that is why they are probably going after a higher % of revenue vs. what Michigan was able to bargain for.

This is the agreement signed just a few days ago. Not sure how Michigan & NY would compare....9% of the total take or 25% of the slots...:confused2:

They might almost be equal dollar wise....:ummm:
 
Yep...Indian land is considered a sovereign nation.

Yes, but that only applies to the Land deeded to them as "reservations" by the US Gov't. Any land bought from US entities by tribes is still US land, under current laws, at least as far as I have been able to determine.
 
"Do Indian tribes pay taxes?

Indian tribal businesses do pay a wide variety of taxes, including taxes on wagering, occupational taxes, and employment taxes. For federal income tax purposes, however, Indian tribes are governmental entities and, as such, are not required to pay taxes on the income generated by the Indian tribes, including income generated by commercial activities.

Do Indian individuals pay taxes?

Indians are subject to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) code and pay taxes on the same basis as any other citizen of the United States subject to minor differences. While gaming profits generated by the tribes are not taxed at the tribal level, any payments of those profits in the form of per capita payments to tribal members are considered taxable income under the IRS code."

exerpts copied from this website: http://www.nigc.gov/About_Us/Frequently_Asked_Questions.aspx

"Do American Indians and Alaska Natives pay taxes?
Yes. They pay the same taxes as other citizens with the following exceptions:

?Federal income taxes are not levied on income from trust lands held for them by the U.S.
?State income taxes are not paid on income earned on a federal Indian reservation.
?State sales taxes are not paid by Indians on transactions made on a federal Indian reservation.
?Local property taxes are not paid on reservation or trust land."

Exerpts from : http://www.bia.gov/FAQs/



Minor differences indeed. And zero mention of paying property taxes to any local or county agency. In other words, the tribe buys up half the land in town, puts in a casino, and the local gov't can kiss that property tax rev bye bye.

And if I read those paragraphs correctly, it says in the Fed code that casino's don't pay Federal income taxes either.

Am I googling the wrong information here? [edit] Wouldn't be the 1st time I was wrong about something, but I just never have read actual paper clippings, or heard definitively on a news channel, that anything to do with a Tribe, or it's Tribal lands, were being taxed like the rest of non-indian America. Only good atributes I've picked up on over the years is that casinos, like em or not, provide jobs for locals, which is a good thing IMO.
Any land that is purchased by a tribe that is not on sovereign land is subject to local laws and taxation. At least that is what it is in Michigan. Our tribe has a convenience store/ gas station that is not on sovereign land which pay local/ state and federal taxes. Most of the laws that are in place are worked out to comply with local and state laws, but enforced by Tribal officials, or U.S. federal officials. State and local officials can help Tribal officials if invited to do so. (Officials meaning law enforcement, regulatory officers, etc.)
 
Guess we could all chip in to make amends for what the mean ole white man did to them so long, long ago - we could start by donating 1/2 our current property back to them to add to their federally protected Indian reservations. Would that help? Yeah, prolly not enough compensation. Maybe we could give them the whole state of NY back? Prolly still not enough compensation for them losing back then. We'd do best to give back all of the US and move back to Europe. With Obummer ruining the whole place, we'd prolly be better off back over there anyway.

Gimmeabreak. I think it's time they started chipping in their fair share. I don't think any treaty gave them their most recent land purchases for casinos around here. All bought from local land owners, then taken out of the tax base, leaving the remaining citizens with a heavier tax burden.


Sorry if my viewpoint hurts anyone's feelings, or hits too close to home for anyone. - not my intent.

No issue here Jim, it's good dialogue IMO.
On the point that casinos do hire locals, our tribe has about 1000 employees of which about 30 % are non native locals. We also offer each employee a full benefits package(BC/BS medical and dental). Our tribes total enrollment is approximately 1600 members, so it is important to us to make sure all our employees get treated well. The local economy has no real industry other than tourism so job creation provides income to be spent on all the local business's.


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IMHO , any time the gov't gets involved , somebody gets screwed. It was the Indians turn in the barrel. Anytime somebody figures out a way to make money , local , state , and federal burecrats start figuring a way to tax it. You can fight it all you want , but paying lawyers to represent you , is just as bad as paying the gov't. Neither will ever stop taking your money until you decide it's time to cut them in on the deal. There's a reason most of our elite , elected representatives are lawyers. They understand at an early age , he who makes the laws , and writes the laws so that only lawyers can understand the laws , wins. Lawyers are also taught to argue any issue from either side , so even if they lose , they win by taking fees to represent those who don't know , what they don't know. Confusing isn't it ? That's why they always win in the end.

" First , we must kill all the lawyers . "
 

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