Morley's Muscle Kit and Nitrous Install

[lankeeyankee]

Jeff
Did you get my pictures I sent to you 2 weeks ago as you asked?
I just tapped into the drain bolt went to the auto parts store found a fitting for a 3/8 fuel line tapped it and done deal.
I spent maybe 3.00 on some 3/8 fuel line from the fitting, put in a see thru type fuel filter and ran it up to my fuel pressure cutoff switch.
You shouldnt have any trash in your tank if its a late model and you store it properly in the winter along with using name brand fuel. Also dont ever fuel up when the tanker truck is at the station, when they are fueling the tanks it causes all the trash to circulate around. Mine is a 98 model and I dont have any trash in my fuel filters. I dont know about banjo fittings and brake hoses for nitrous. As the previous post stated I wouldnt rig anything on a NOS setup even more so the fuel. Remeber one ooops or F-U with fuel with NOS you will be sending your pistons thru the exhaust.

 

[113s&s]

thanks for info jeff...
.sal

 

[hubeerjw]

Well, I got my oil pressure gage installed. It isn't the easiest to see while on the bike, but it was very easy to install and I may relocate it later, but I like where it is at for now at least. I also made my plug/petcock for my nitrous fuel line. I took a bolt that was a little longer than the stock drain plug, drilled a 5/16 hole through it, brazed on a 1/8 NPT female connector, and can then put an elbow, hose barb, etc. on the end for my second (nitrous) fuel source. I believe the bolt was an 8x1.25 20mm bolt... I can double check if anyone needs to know. I was going to use a 30mm bolt to get the tip off the bottom of the tank a little more, but I used a grade 10.9 bolt and it was not fun trying to get through the 20mm bolt.
My next few steps are to mount the nitrous fuel pump, and run/route the fuel hose and filter. I am also looking at a few different mounting locations for the solenoids. I think I am going to try to use 3/16 brake tube right now and throw away the SS braided hoses.

Oh, I also mounted Morley's handlebars... I didn't think they would look much different than the stockers, but when you put them on, it makes a BIG difference. I really think I am going to like them, plus they clear the faux tank, but still have the drag bar look. And they also have plenty of room for my tether kill switch that I have mounted, but not wired in yet... damn another thing to do!

Jeff

 

[hubeerjw]

Well, I decided to put the bike back to gether after doing a partial Morley Muscle Kit install. Today I also did the Double D clutch modification. I have not installed the breather going from the oil fill cap to the air box, and have not synced the carbs.... I haven't even removed the brass plugs on the carbs. I just installed Morley's kit (with a little help) and bolted it on the bike.

I fired it up, it idled perfectly, and had great throttle response once warmed up. WOW, is all I can say! I pulled out of my driveway, and acdentally spun the tire for about a 1/4 block and I probably had the dumbest smile on my face... 1/2 scared and 1/2 holy sh!t this is awesome! This was my first ride on the VMax this year and only went for about 5 miles, but it was GREAT. I don't have any other carb modifications to compare it too, but I am loving the muscle kit so far. The max pulled hard and runs great so far. I can't wait to see where I am at on the dyno. I also like the Double D clutch mod, but do NOT like the reverse shift. My foot was horizontal when I needed to shift and it felt like my foot wanted to slide back. Under the normal shift pattern, your foot is tilted down and you can use the foot rest to push against while lifting up to shift into the next gear. I thought the reverse shift would be better for the drag strip, but I think I am going to change it back to the normal shift pattern. If anyone is interested in trying this modification, let me know and I can send you the left foot rest and the shortened shift link to try out.

Long story short...
Morley's Muscle Kit = Freakin Awesome
Double D Clutch Mod = GREAT so far
Reverse Shift Pattern = not for me
Nitrous = I can't wait...

Jeff

 

[lankeeyankee]

Jeff

How did your NOS Setup come out?

 

[hubeerjw]

I'm still working on it. I was going to route hard steel lines, but I think I am just going to use plastic lines from the solenoids to the nozzles. I also have some brackets I want to get made up for the solenoids and gauges. I figured I would put it back together right now and try to get any carb issues sorted out before throwing nitrous into it. I've got an extra set of intakes I have tapped for the nozzels and I'm going to get the mounting sorted out, but this way I can still ride my bike (if the weather ever gets nice).
After my 5 mile ride today, I think I am going to kill myself with nitrous! Maybe it is just the first ride of the season and I'll get used to it again.
Jeff

 

[4gasem]

Cold tires are never good J! Also shit suspenders and more HP don't work well together either! I would get the suspension sorted straight away. You won't regret it. You need to ride mine and see if you like it.
Oh and don't call me again rubbing in the fact that you're riding! LOL

 

[hubeerjw]

O.k.... been a while since I have worked on the bike since I can ride it, but today I think I have a nitrous fuel solution. I plummed up the lines, filter, pump, etc. and wanted to run some flow checks to make sure I have plenty of fuel while shooting nitrous. With my homemade plug/adapter I was able to push 16oz of fuel in 15sec. That should equate to a 1/2gallon per minute if I did my math correctly. I think that should be plenty of flow for a 40HP shot of NOS. I'll try to get some pictures posted under the tank to show everyone.
My next project is going to be mounting the solenoids. I am going to have some brackets lazer cut that will hold the solenoids between the carb/diaphragm covers (one on each side). This should give me the shortest run to the nozzles, and hopefully make the routing simple as well.

I'm getting there, and will hopefully have a working system by the end of the month!

Jeff

 

[lankeeyankee]

O.k.... been a while since I have worked on the bike since I can ride it, but today I think I have a nitrous fuel solution. I plummed up the lines, filter, pump, etc. and wanted to run some flow checks to make sure I have plenty of fuel while shooting nitrous. With my homemade plug/adapter I was able to push 16oz of fuel in 15sec. That should equate to a 1/2gallon per minute if I did my math correctly. I think that should be plenty of flow for a 40HP shot of NOS. I'll try to get some pictures posted under the tank to show everyone.
My next project is going to be mounting the solenoids. I am going to have some brackets lazer cut that will hold the solenoids between the carb/diaphragm covers (one on each side). This should give me the shortest run to the nozzles, and hopefully make the routing simple as well.

I'm getting there, and will hopefully have a working system by the end of the month!

Jeff

Hey Jeff
How much fuel PSI are you putting out? What do you have your fuel pressure cutoff switch set at? What size nos jets are you starting off with?
Sounds like a great idea of mounting the solenoids, just not sure how its going to look with a large steel braided line coming from the bottle or even worse you arent going to get even cyl disturbution. Think about it if you mount the nos solenoid on one side and the fuel on the other, this is going to be hard to explain, but basically you want your lines from your solenoid equal if you mount them like you say the fuel and nos will get to one cyl quicker than the other. Make sure your lines are equal length.

 

[hubeerjw]

I think my fuel pressure safety switch is a 5psi switch... anything under 5psi should shut the system down.

I understand I will need same lengths of lines, and I will probably need to have a coil or loop or something, I haven't exactly determined what will look good or what I can hide yet.

As far as the jets, I will be using Nitrous Express:

HP - Nitrous Jet - Fuel Jet
40 - 18 - 16

I also recently pulled the brass plugs from my A/F screw on my carbs..... popped their cherry!

Here were my A/F screw positions from the factory:
Front Left - 3.4 turns
Rear Left - 2 turns
Front Right - 2.4 turns
Rear Right - 2.6 turns

 

[lankeeyankee]

I think my fuel pressure safety switch is a 5psi switch... anything under 5psi should shut the system down.

I understand I will need same lengths of lines, and I will probably need to have a coil or loop or something, I haven't exactly determined what will look good or what I can hide yet.

As far as the jets, I will be using Nitrous Express:

HP - Nitrous Jet - Fuel Jet
40 - 18 - 16

I also recently pulled the brass plugs from my A/F screw on my carbs..... popped their cherry!

Here were my A/F screw positions from the factory:
Front Left - 3.4 turns
Rear Left - 2 turns
Front Right - 2.4 turns
Rear Right - 2.6 turns

Did you buy an aftermarket fuel pump such as the holley blue? Most fuel pumps that come with nitrous kits avg around 4-6 which when you open the solenoids they will drop to about 4PSI.
I am running the pump that came with my kit and my gauge avg. around 5PSI
If your running a fuel pump other than what came with the kit you will be fine with a 5 psi cutoff. If not when you hit the NOS you will get surging from it cutting in and out.

 

[hubeerjw]

Just saw this link and thought I would share... They have some turbo stuff.... some nitrous stuff..... looks like a pretty cool place to work!

http://www.boondockers.com/index.htm

Jeff

 

[hubeerjw]

Well, I got a few more things done on the bike... Finally got the solenoid brackets cut and they fit up nicely... I may lower the solenoid position a little, but at least it fits up. I know I am going to have to loop the lines (or something) to ensure I have equal lentghs to both sides.

I also installed some progressive shocks in the rear (11.5") and lowered the front forks 1" in the triples. I'll eventually I'll get shorter front springs, but it's o.k. for now. Because of the lowering, I needed to shorten the kickstand, so I did that tonight too. I probably cut off a 1/2, but could probably go a little more... maybe 3/4" or so.

Jeff

 

[lankeeyankee]

Well, I got a few more things done on the bike... Finally got the solenoid brackets cut and they fit up nicely... I may lower the solenoid position a little, but at least it fits up. I know I am going to have to loop the lines (or something) to ensure I have equal lentghs to both sides.

I also installed some progressive shocks in the rear (11.5") and lowered the front forks 1" in the triples. I'll eventually I'll get shorter front springs, but it's o.k. for now. Because of the lowering, I needed to shorten the kickstand, so I did that tonight too. I probably cut off a 1/2, but could probably go a little more... maybe 3/4" or so.

Jeff

Jeff:
Not to seem like a smart ass as I am but, That setup is going to suck. (IMO) Anytime you need to pull your carbs all that nos & solenoids crap is going to be a bitch to remove also. Where are you going to coil up your lines. I changed my plastic mickey mouse lines out for some steel brake lines in 3/16 and that shit is hard to bend. I guess you are going to do away with the chrome manifold covers also?
I must say though I have seen many VMAX's with nos but I have never seen anyone mount the solenoids like this. Its either mounted on the front of the battery box or in the airbox.
Keep us posted I am curious to see the progress.
I bumped my NOS jets up from 20/22's to 21/23's plugs still look good, This thing comes on like a damn hurricane when hitting it 85+MPH:rocket bike:

 

[KJShover]

Well, I got a few more things done on the bike... Finally got the solenoid brackets cut and they fit up nicely... I may lower the solenoid position a little, but at least it fits up. I know I am going to have to loop the lines (or something) to ensure I have equal lentghs to both sides.

I also installed some progressive shocks in the rear (11.5") and lowered the front forks 1" in the triples. I'll eventually I'll get shorter front springs, but it's o.k. for now. Because of the lowering, I needed to shorten the kickstand, so I did that tonight too. I probably cut off a 1/2, but could probably go a little more... maybe 3/4" or so.

Jeff

I'm liking it, it reminds me of the way I had mine hooked up on my XS and my drag bike.

 

[hubeerjw]

Thank KJ and Lankee for the comments. I realize it isn't going to be easy to bend the lines to make them look good, but this way, I'll be able to remove everything and have things a little more accessable. I do want to lengthen the solenoid bracket so the solenoid sits a little lower, but taking the braket off won't be a big deal.. just 4 hex head screws on each side, and the solenoid/bracket should be able to just hang there wile the carbs are off.

Lankee, do you ever have a problem with the bike still feeling like you are on the throttle after letting off the NOS button? The NX guy said if you have long fuel lines, fuel will continue to drip into the intake after you let off the throttle. I noticed your lines basically drop down, so I wouldn't think you would have that problem, but thought I would check.

Also, what plugs are you using? Did you go one or 2 steps colder?

Thanks,

Jeff

 

[lankeeyankee]

Thank KJ and Lankee for the comments. I realize it isn't going to be easy to bend the lines to make them look good, but this way, I'll be able to remove everything and have things a little more accessable. I do want to lengthen the solenoid bracket so the solenoid sits a little lower, but taking the braket off won't be a big deal.. just 4 hex head screws on each side, and the solenoid/bracket should be able to just hang there wile the carbs are off.

Lankee, do you ever have a problem with the bike still feeling like you are on the throttle after letting off the NOS button? The NX guy said if you have long fuel lines, fuel will continue to drip into the intake after you let off the throttle. I noticed your lines basically drop down, so I wouldn't think you would have that problem, but thought I would check.

Also, what plugs are you using? Did you go one or 2 steps colder?

Thanks,

Jeff

HI Jeff

My solenoids are lower than my foggers. I dont know what the guy at NX us talking about with the fuel dripping in making it feel as your still on the throttle?:ummm:
If his theroy was right which it isnt, you would have a rich condition falling on its face a little same as when you run low on bottle pressure.
It doesnt matter if its lower / higher on its side, in a box above a box below a box LOL what ever. Think about Jeff, your foggers are screwed into the manifold, and what type of pressure does that create? EXACTLY vacum so wouldnt this suck any excess fuel from the lines? Yupp.
Like I said fuel any extra fuel from the foggers with no NOS / low nos pressure creates a rich condition which makes the engine loose power and stumble. You may want to look for another NOS Source than whos giving you advice.
Hey what setup are you going with the Purge System? Where will you be showing the NOS Cloud?
I went with your idea of the steel brake lines. It was very time consuming and educational. Word of advice it would almost be worth 200.00 for the steel braided hoses if I could do it over again.

 

[QuarterHorse]

Looking good!

 

[lankeeyankee]

Well, I got a few more things done on the bike... Finally got the solenoid brackets cut and they fit up nicely... I may lower the solenoid position a little, but at least it fits up. I know I am going to have to loop the lines (or something) to ensure I have equal lentghs to both sides.

I also installed some progressive shocks in the rear (11.5") and lowered the front forks 1" in the triples. I'll eventually I'll get shorter front springs, but it's o.k. for now. Because of the lowering, I needed to shorten the kickstand, so I did that tonight too. I probably cut off a 1/2, but could probably go a little more... maybe 3/4" or so.

Jeff

Jeff
Just noticed something. The wires you have routed through the hole on your bracket you made, has no rubber grommet, becareful eventually the vibration will wear away the insulation and could throw some sparks.

 

[KJShover]

HI Jeff

My solenoids are lower than my foggers. I dont know what the guy at NX us talking about with the fuel dripping in making it feel as your still on the throttle?:ummm:
If his theroy was right which it isnt, you would have a rich condition falling on its face a little same as when you run

I've been running N2O motors since the late 80's. This "theory" as you put it does exist. However, there may be a little misunderstanding on the "feel as is your still in the throttle" part.

This mainly happens in long line systems, After the sols shut there is still residual fuel and N2O in the lines. there is a brief blip of throttle that will remian in for a very short time as the pressure differential in the cyls drain the lines, so its more of a "Still on the sqeeze" vs. on the throttle. In short line systems like the kind found on most bikes. Its really not an issue.

I've had it happen with a couple of my motorcycles, one a street bike the other was one of my drag bikes. I was forced to long line the system between the sols and my foggers due to lack of room, I had close to 3 feet of plumbing tucked away in and around that bike. I really noticed it on my dual-stage setups.

reguards :cheers: