So, it is my B-Day on Thursday...and I am getting myself this...

[4gasem]

Well, it arrived today. What a cool toy! I had to run back to work, so no chance to ride it yet. :bang head:

I hope to get home quick enough for a spin before it gets dark. The "headlight" is more like a flashlight.

It is so light and narrow....seat is going to hurt though. :biglaugh:

Mike

Oh yeah...:whistlin:

I know several people that have the DRZ and the first mod they do is the seat! Sargent or Corbin can't remember which.:hmmm:

 

[113s&s]

mean looking mackine

 

[max power]

That thing is ****ies!!!:th_SmileyBoobs::th_SmileyBoobs:

 

[UnclePhilthy]

Happy B'day up there in Loozieanna..hope your day is a real good one!

Enjoy the new 'toy'...

Today is my youngest son's as well...he turns 42 today... He won't be getting one of THOSE fersure, not from me at least.

His ride is an '03 special addition HD 'Duece' SE...one of the rare gold n' black ones... It's REAL purty, but my lil' max will embarrass him if he messes with it!

We'll be sharing cake n icecream later today, and hoping for many more to come.

Best Regards... Uncle Philthy

 

[MBreinin]

Well, I rode it last night.

Impressions:

It has alot of torque, not V-Max kind of torque mind you, but plenty to move this thing. I was afraid it would just loop on me instantly, but again...due to my normal reaction of placing weight on the front end when rolling throttle, I had no wheelie issues. I am sure if I wanted a wheelie, it would be effortless in the first 4 gears though. It came up a bit on me in second, but only a few inches.

I am glad I didn't get a DRZ. This bike has around 48 RWHP and weighs in the 230 zone. It is quick, but not super quick. I think a DRZ would have bored me.

The best thing, the handling. I learned on dirtbikes and so they always feel natural to me. On a sportbike I always felt "trapped" by the seating position. Too hot into a corner and your options are pretty limited...hold on and feed throttle. On this, FOOT OUT BABY! I love that upright posture and the fact that I can hang out a foot if need be. Plus, the grip is amazing. Serious lean angle is available and you really don't get nervous about it.

The brakes are sick, of course. The rear is kinda hard to find though. Tiny little tucked in lever. Another reason I am reluctant to try big wheelies. I will wait until I get more familiar with finding that control.

Comfort is marginal. However, all of the pain is butt related. The seating position is fine. Wiith a break or two, I could ride this bike for 2-3 hours no problem.

Now, I need to gear up for this bike because my V-Max attire (Vanson jacket, kevlar jeans, gloves and ankle boots) is not going to cut it on this hooligan machine. Armor is on the way. Yeah, I am going to look like a Storm Trooper, but I know this bike is going down at some point and I want to be protected.

Biggest let down is the exhaust note, which is like a cannon. However, what do you expect from a thumper?

This is going to be fun!!

Mike

 

[Tom_Owens]

Good report!

I've always been scepticle about that style of bike. I ride dirt bikes, sport bikes and the Max...but never one of those hybrid types. I always thought, "If you want a dirt bike, buy a dirt bike. If you want a street bike, buy a street bike."

What you describe though does sound like a hell of a lot of fun! :biglaugh:

Wouldn't mind giving that thing a go on a decent dirt road. I bet THAT would be the killa!

Regards,
Tom

 

[MBreinin]

Good report!

I've always been scepticle about that style of bike. I ride dirt bikes, sport bikes and the Max...but never one of those hybrid types. I always thought, "If you want a dirt bike, buy a dirt bike. If you want a street bike, buy a street bike."

What you describe though does sound like a hell of a lot of fun! :biglaugh:

Wouldn't mind giving that thing a go on a decent dirt road. I bet THAT would be the killa!

Regards,
Tom

Well, you have to understand that this bike will destroy any sportbike in the tight twisties. It has enormous grip, sufficient power to squirt corner to corner, huge breaking ability and an incredible suspension with massive clearance and travel. Plus, you can use the power, whereas with the majority of SBs, you are always on a fine line of too much. I only wish I had better roads available closer. We have nice twisties, but it takes time to get to them. Overall, I would say the bike inspires confidence. You don't feel like it is going to bite you, you feel like you are on a 50 hp BMX bicycle. I am CERTAIN it can bite you, and bite you hard if you get overconfident. However, it is not going to bite like Mr. Max, which is in triple digits in a flash and chomping at the bit for more. This bike is wound up tight and calling it a day where my Max is just starting to get scary as it hurtles through 3rd and into 4th with no end in sight....I like both sensations though. unk:

Mike

 

[Tom_Owens]

That would have to be one hell of a twisty. In fact, it would have to consist of no less than 180 degree turns back to back, otherwise, a 600RR/Gixxer 600/R6 would destroy you. With ease...in the hands of a man that knows how to use one, of course.

I'm sorry, but putting your foot down doesn't get you through a corner faster that scraping your knee on the pavement, unless of course it's a 180 degree tight turn. Especially given that you're giving up roughly 70 horsepower at least.

Regards,
Tom

 

[MBreinin]

Well, I am not going to argue with you. You are wrong, but you are entitled to your opinion. Just look around on YouTube and you can see hard evidence.

The only thing I will address is that I don't think being able to drop a foot will make a bike corner faster. However, you can drop a foot OR drag a knee on a SM. You only have one choice on a SB.

Mike

That would have to be one hell of a twisty. In fact, it would have to consist of no less than 180 degree turns back to back, otherwise, a 600RR/Gixxer 600/R6 would destroy you. With ease...in the hands of a man that knows how to use one, of course.

I'm sorry, but putting your foot down doesn't get you through a corner faster that scraping your knee on the pavement, unless of course it's a 180 degree tight turn. Especially given that you're giving up roughly 70 horsepower at least.

Regards,
Tom

 

[Tom_Owens]

Youtube searches:

husqvarna SMR beats 600rr - 0 results

husqvarna SMR beats honda - 0 results

husqvarna beats honda - 0 results

husqvarna wins - One motorcycle result featuring a 125cc Husky vs. a scooter in Germany. The others were chainsaws.

How 'bout a link?

Regards,
Tom

 

[MBreinin]

Youtube searches:

husqvarna SMR beats 600rr - 0 results

husqvarna SMR beats honda - 0 results

husqvarna beats honda - 0 results

husqvarna wins - One motorcycle result featuring a 125cc Husky vs. a scooter in Germany. The others were chainsaws.

How 'bout a link?

Regards,
Tom

Ok, watch the green dude on the supermoto blow by this dude on an Aprilia...and then blow by the dude up ahead on the other sportbike. He is being chased, and beating handily a guy on a CBR600:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz_YTcKRXvk

I will get more tomorrow for you. They are unbeatable in tight twisties....

And, this morning I add this. Because this is plain and irrefutable evidence. Same course. Two bikes. One KTM640 SM, the other ZX6-R. Who wins?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea873VCY07s&feature=related

Granted, that is a bigger and heavier bike than mine. However, the power to weigh ratios are close. Dig that 17 second advantage. And, that was no uber-tight course either...that had plenty of open road.

Here is a dude on one of the most nimble sport bikes ever made, an RC31 (VFR400), and he can't catch a lowly DRZ400:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xuga-c7_O3I&feature=related

This one is interesting, a GSXR1000 and a converted YZ450. Every turn, the sportbike's massive speed advantage is erased...and then he is passed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEhF0B94sw4&feature=related


How about a Supermoto taking out a 4 wheeled vehicle? Are you going to tell me a Sportbike would have turned better lap times than a race prepped 911?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1d_6sKdyKM&feature=related

If that is the case, let me pull up this one. A Plain Jane, non-race preppred Carrera 4, handily beating an R1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at6VK-Yf2Pc

I think I have made my argument for the value of the Supermoto. I am going to submit my brief and wait for a hearing. Let's see your opposition. LOL

Mike

 

[Tom_Owens]

Ummmm...ahem...

Your bike is not involved in any of those videos. A 1000CC KTM is a far cry from a Husky half that size.

On the other front, the two sportbikes are closing in on that KTM at an ALARMING rate. He simply has the line on a street road, so they don't pass him.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, but fact of the matter is simply this:

The bike you own will get completely destroyed by any 600cc sport bike. Full stop.

If you want to start talking 1000cc Superdukes, then I can always revert to the Gixxer 1000, which will of course eat it for lunch with ease.

That's why the KTM's do not compete with them...they simply can't. They're not in the same class.

Regards,
Tom

 

[MBreinin]

Ummmm...ahem...

Your bike is not involved in any of those videos. A 1000CC KTM is a far cry from a Husky half that size.

On the other front, the two sportbikes are closing in on that KTM at an ALARMING rate. He simply has the line on a street road, so they don't pass him.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, but fact of the matter is simply this:

The bike you own will get completely destroyed by any 600cc sport bike. Full stop.

If you want to start talking 1000cc Superdukes, then I can always revert to the Gixxer 1000, which will of course eat it for lunch with ease.

That's why the KTM's do not compete with them...they simply can't. They're not in the same class.

Regards,
Tom

That KTM is a 640SMC. That is a street oriented SuperMoto. My bike is a race bike, an even more focused machine.

I lost a long message due to a glitch, so I am going to keep it short.

My point was simple. On a tight course, or a tight road, where the sportbike can't use its horsepower advantage to dust the SM with sheer speed...the Supermoto will win, because it is a superior handling bike. Where the course is open, and the there are long straights and sweepers, the SM will not win since it does not have the speed in the straights and long sweepers.

I think I have demonstrated that with the above videos. I don't know what you saw, but I saw clear evidence of this position.

Plus, I have them both. I have an RZ350 and I have a 450SMR. I can assure you 100% that I can take corners at higher speeds with more confidence on the Husky than I can on the RZ, and in the world of Sportbikes, the RZ is a superlight, super flickable bike.

Mike

 

[Tom_Owens]

You've demonstrated nothing.

Not once have you shown anything that YOUR BIKE can do. I was always, and still am, talking about YOUR BIKE.

What part of that do you not understand? I'm failing to see you proving anything other than you want to talk about every bike on the planet except yours.

Regards,
Tom

 

[MBreinin]

You've demonstrated nothing.

Not once have you shown anything that YOUR BIKE can do. I was always, and still am, talking about YOUR BIKE.

What part of that do you not understand? I'm failing to see you proving anything other than you want to talk about every bike on the planet except yours.

Regards,
Tom

That is a good example of deflection from a losing position, but I enjoy the debate. I am speaking of the genre as a whole. The 450SMR is a world champion supermoto. I will look around, but most of the video available is racing video, since most don't street ride the 450SMR.

Mike

 

[Buster Hymen]

You've demonstrated nothing.

Not once have you shown anything that YOUR BIKE can do. I was always, and still am, talking about YOUR BIKE.

What part of that do you not understand? I'm failing to see you proving anything other than you want to talk about every bike on the planet except yours.

Regards,
Tom

Tom, you're splitting hairs here, Mike has demonstrated with those videos that Supermotos can be and are superior handling bikes to SS bikes. You, on the other hand, have brought nothing to the table to support your side of the argument.

Ummmm...ahem...

Your bike is not involved in any of those videos. A 1000CC KTM is a far cry from a Husky half that size.

On the other front, the two sportbikes are closing in on that KTM at an ALARMING rate. He simply has the line on a street road, so they don't pass him.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, but fact of the matter is simply this:

The bike you own will get completely destroyed by any 600cc sport bike. Full stop.

:ummm: Not sure where you got that "fact" from. A SV650 is consider a sport bike, do you really think your statement still applies?

If you want to start talking 1000cc Superdukes, then I can always revert to the Gixxer 1000, which will of course eat it for lunch with ease.

That's why the KTM's do not compete with them...they simply can't. They're not in the same class.

Regards,
Tom

Hooboy... KTM has mainly produced off road and dual sport bikes but never a street only bike until 07. That bike is the 990 SuperDuke, which is 120 HP , 330 pound bike. You can't really say they are not in the same class. Remember this is their first true year for a street bike, now think about the first year of the GSXR. I'd say in about 2 years, you'll be lucky to keep up to the orange bike ahead of you.

 

[Tom_Owens]

No, you're detracting from my original statement:

Why would anyone own THAT bike?

That was my point originally, and is still my point now. You show tons of video on every other bike on the planet EXCEPT for the one you own and say, "LOOK!! THEY'RE UNBEATABLE!!!"

Go back and read some more. I searched for YOUR BIKE. I made comments about YOUR BIKE. I questioned YOUR BIKE.

Not all the other super, moto, whatever, whathaveyou, wonderbike that you post videos of.

Again, you prove nothing. You're posting hot air material rather than answer my original question:

Other than fun, what good is YOUR BIKE actually for in the grand scheme of things?

Nothing. You couldn't outrun me on my Max on the Dragon for God's sake.

If you think you can, I'll be there Saturday and Sunday.

I'll take you on my Max up there and we'll put it to bed once and for all. YOUR bike and YOU against MY VMAX and ME.

I'll eat you alive. Give me a 600cc sport bike, and I'll make you look rediculous.

Regards,
Tom

 

[Rusty McNeil]

I think at this point we all need to "agree to disagree" and call it a day for the sake of the forum.

No one is gonna win this one or change anyone elses mind so furthering this argument is pointless.

Just my opinion tho'...I'm not God or anything.

I'm just glad Mikes happy with his purchase and enthusiastic about it as well. Wish I had one.

Rusty

 

[Tom_Owens]

I think at this point we all need to "agree to disagree" and call it a day for the sake of the forum.

No, I think we need to face reality. Let's review:

My first post: Good report!

I've always been scepticle about that style of bike. I ride dirt bikes, sport bikes and the Max...but never one of those hybrid types. I always thought, "If you want a dirt bike, buy a dirt bike. If you want a street bike, buy a street bike."

What you describe though does sound like a hell of a lot of fun!

Wouldn't mind giving that thing a go on a decent dirt road. I bet THAT would be the killa!

Regards,
Tom

Your answer to my first post: Well, you have to understand that this bike will destroy any sportbike in the tight twisties.

OK, by that post, you did not say, "Bikes of this type" or "Bikes of this nature bigger than mine" or "Bikes of a build like this with more ***" or anything of that nature. You said, and I quote again, "THIS BIKE".

That means your bike. That means the one you spent money on that you're so proud of that you want to throw in everybodys face.

I called you out on it. I spent the better part of an hour and a half looking for some sort of evidence of YOUR BIKE because I honestly thought that something had been constructed of which I had no knowledge at all.

Let's keep reviewing, shall we?

My retort: That would have to be one hell of a twisty. In fact, it would have to consist of no less than 180 degree turns back to back, otherwise, a 600RR/Gixxer 600/R6 would destroy you. With ease...in the hands of a man that knows how to use one, of course.

I'm sorry, but putting your foot down doesn't get you through a corner faster that scraping your knee on the pavement, unless of course it's a 180 degree tight turn. Especially given that you're giving up roughly 70 horsepower at least.

Note that I'm even giving the horsepower figures of YOUR BIKE. I never once in this entire discussion mentioned anything other than YOUR BIKE.

Your retort: Well, I am not going to argue with you. You are wrong, but you are entitled to your opinion. Just look around on YouTube and you can see hard evidence.

I looked all over Youtube and even posted everything I had looked for regarding YOUR BIKE.

Then, I came back with this: Youtube searches:

husqvarna SMR beats 600rr - 0 results

husqvarna SMR beats honda - 0 results

husqvarna beats honda - 0 results

husqvarna wins - One motorcycle result featuring a 125cc Husky vs. a scooter in Germany. The others were chainsaws.

How 'bout a link?

Regards,
Tom

So, what do you do?

You post video of OTHER BIKES.

Not yours. Not even anything remotely resembling yours. Not even a bike in your same cc class, not even a bike remotey the same as yours and then you start saying, "There's my proof".

Ummmm....no. You're wrong. Full stop.

If anybody that reads this thread can't see that, they're either a bleeding heart liberal that can't see the forest for the trees in the way, or they're an immigrant that simply doesn't quite yet grasp the English language.

Regards,
Tom

 

[MBreinin]

No, you're detracting from my original statement:

Why would anyone own THAT bike?

Because it is a totally bad *** Supermoto bike made by MV Agusta and a world champion.

That was my point originally, and is still my point now. You show tons of video on every other bike on the planet EXCEPT for the one you own and say, "LOOK!! THEY'RE UNBEATABLE!!!"

SM as a genre is indeed unbeatable in tight twisties. A good rider on a DRZ400, one of the slowest street legal SMs, can out a hurting on a good rider on a much faster SS. That was the DRZ v. RC31 video demonstrated. MY bike was shown beating a fully preppred Porsche GT3, do you think a SS would have turned a better time on that course? :bang head:

Go back and read some more. I searched for YOUR BIKE. I made comments about YOUR BIKE. I questioned YOUR BIKE.

Not all the other super, moto, whatever, whathaveyou, wonderbike that you post videos of.

My bike is one of the most capable SM bikes made, I posted LESSER bikes to just demonstrate the genre. Again, most of the video was demonstrative...there are many videos of my bike racing other SMs, however. You wanted to see SMs beat SS's, I delivered.

Again, you prove nothing. You're posting hot air material rather than answer my original question:

Other than fun, what good is YOUR BIKE actually for in the grand scheme of things?

What is ANY bike good for? What kind of comment is that? Do you own a V-Max and a SS to go to Sam's Club and buy a pallet of papertowels? All of these are toys, you know that.

Nothing. You couldn't outrun me on my Max on the Dragon for God's sake.[

If you think you can, I'll be there Saturday and Sunday.

I'll take you on my Max up there and we'll put it to bed once and for all. YOUR bike and YOU against MY VMAX and ME.

I wish I could get up there, because even though I don't consider myself particularly daring or skilled, it would not even tax my meager skills to stay ahead of you on that road. The bike alone would assure that. I own a V-Max, Tom, I know what they are capable of. The torque and power advantage of the V-Max would never come into play.

I'll eat you alive. Give me a 600cc sport bike, and I'll make you look rediculous.

That is a pretty bold statement, considering you haven't a clue as to my abilities. I could be a friggin' champion road racer (I'm not :biglaugh, and then you would look pretty absurd getting beaten handily by a dude with a dirtbike, wouldn't you?

I say keep your eyes peeled for SM guys. Try to catch them. Maybe I can send some from SuperMoto Junkie to show you the way.

Finally, calm the hell down, Tom. You have done a fairly good job of crapping on my post, which wasn't intended to start a war between Sportbikes/V-Maxes and SMs. You obviously don't get the SM, thing and that is cool. I DO. I also get the SS thing and V-Max thing.

I was trying to keep this light hearted and you continue to make it personal. I guess that is because I proved you wrong. :ummm:

Either way, I am done. I like my SM, enjoy your stuff.

And for the record, that was a Husky 450SMR BEATING A COMPETITION PREPPED 911 GT3 ON A CLOSED COURSE. I really think that is sufficient evidence of its abilities.

Mike