The second amendment to the constitution of the united states
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85 MAX-fan
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Hitler and the Nazi party didn't implement gun control?
didnt' say that, just the exact quote is all.
forestdaledave
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Why is it always Hitler? Hitler had support of the German people. If guns don't kill people why does gun control cause genocide? It seems the myth of Hitler and gun contro is essentially inaccurate.
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/
David
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/
David
Rollie
Well-Known Member
Do you think the German Jewish population was supporting him ?
Redbone
Well-Known Member
While it is true that Hitler and the Nazi party did not enact the gun control regulations it was because it had already been done by the previous political party that was in power. The Weimar government enacted the gun registration in an attempt to stem the power of the Nazi and Communist which backfired when the Nazi's and Hitler won the seat of power. Indeed they had popular support of the German people but some say that much of it was coerced through strong arm tactics.
The Nazi party further strengthened the law in 1938 to further single out the Jewish population as they carried out their plans of racial dominance.
So indeed Hitler was an opportunist using an public that had already been required to be registered and turned it on the Jewish people committing genocide. It wasn't guns that killed the people it was a systematic disarming of the people that allowed Hitler to exact his horrific acts upon another people.
So registration is a means to a end of how to a government would use control a population. Is this not a fair demonstration of such control? I believe we have over 200 years of proof that a population that controls the government is a much better way of doing things.
The Nazi party further strengthened the law in 1938 to further single out the Jewish population as they carried out their plans of racial dominance.
So indeed Hitler was an opportunist using an public that had already been required to be registered and turned it on the Jewish people committing genocide. It wasn't guns that killed the people it was a systematic disarming of the people that allowed Hitler to exact his horrific acts upon another people.
So registration is a means to a end of how to a government would use control a population. Is this not a fair demonstration of such control? I believe we have over 200 years of proof that a population that controls the government is a much better way of doing things.
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JFYI............... An E-Mail I received about the current deceptions in DC.....
Dear David,
I heard the news just minutes ago.
Behind closed doors in Washington, D.C. there's a new smoky backroom "deal" in the works.
And while no one will say so on the record, according to my sources in both the House and the Senate, the NRA is secretly right smack dab in the middle of it.
I'll give you the details in just a moment . . .
But David, with only four days until the U.S. Senate goes back into session, please realize this is crunch time.
New developments in this fight are going to come fast and furious.
Politicians in BOTH parties in Washington, D.C. are working feverishly to trick gun owners into trading more of our Second Amendment rights for a shiny chunk of fools' gold.
And without your action today, I'm afraid they may just succeed.
That's why I've created a new Emergency Fax Petition, urging your Senators to oppose any "deal" and instead "Stand With Rand" to prevent any gun-related bill from reaching the floor.
What the gun-grabbers want as part of their deal is no surprise -- ATF Witch hunt legislation.
Sold as a bill to supposedly stop "gun trafficking," this legislation would dramatically ramp up penalties on Americans who sell firearms to "prohibited persons" -- if the seller "should have known."
The legal definitions of both of these phrases is so vague, they're an anti-gun ATF agent's dream come true.
This scheme is designed to get gun owners to start screaming FOR a national gun registry because ultimately the only way you'll be able to protect yourself from ATF goons is to get prior federal approval for every gun transfer.
So David, should this ATF Witch Hunt legislation ever become law, it would be an outright DISASTER.
But aren't you and I supposed to "get" something as part of this deal?
Sure.
So-called "National concealed carry reciprocity."
Sounds nice doesn't it?
Like you, I believe the Second Amendment means what it says, and it's the birthright of every American to exercise their God-given right to keep and bear arms.
But there's a BIG FAT catch . . .
President Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder and all the rest of this anti-gun administration would get the names and addresses of every permit holder in the country so they can "properly enforce" the new scheme.
Worse, instead of your State Legislature setting the concealed carry laws for your state, now Dianne Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, and all the rest would get a say in setting up new "common sense standards."
David, so-called "National Concealed Carry Reciprocity" is hardly a step in the right direction.
Instead, it's a thinly-veiled attempt to stop the progress you and I have been making working through State Legislatures in recent years.
Today, only a few states in America deny citizens the ability to carry concealed in some fashion.
20 years ago, it was 14.
Not only that, but through successes like passing Constitutional Carry in Arizona and Wyoming -- which simply states that if you're legal to own a firearm, you're legal to carry it –- state laws are getting less and less restrictive every year.
Should this "deal" pass, I'm afraid it will be the end of all of our progress!
So when I first heard the news, the NRA is quietly working behind the scenes for this "deal" with weak-kneed GOP Senators, I was shocked and saddened.
Even despite the horrific "merits" of the "deal" being discussed, it will get much, much worse before it's all said and done.
As I told you before, any "deal" that gathers the 60 votes needed to overcome Senator Paul's filibuster and reaches the floor for debate will only serve as a vehicle for Harry Reid and his anti-gun cronies to pile on with amendments.
Magazine bans, the Feinstein Gun Ban and national gun registration under the guise of "universal background checks" could be in the works.
In fact, just days ago, Asa Hutchison -- director of the NRA's National School Shield Task Force -- said he was "open" to expanding "background checks."
Of course, the NRA immediately backed off his comments.
But why is the NRA STILL refusing to back Senator Paul's filibuster?
Is it because they're going to try and break the Paul filibuster with their own misguided "deal" and play right into the gun-grabbers' hands?
I sincerely hope not.
But as I mentioned, this first vote on the motion to proceed to debate on ANY gun-related bill is where you and I must win -- "deal" or no deal.
And blowing this scheme wide open RIGHT NOW before the Senate goes back into session gives you and me a fighting chance.
That's why it's absolutely critical you sign your Emergency Fax Petition IMMEDIATELY, urging your Senators to oppose any "deal" and instead "Stand With Rand" to prevent any gun-related bill from reaching the floor.
And if possible, I hope you'll agree to your most generous financial support.
Fortunately, since I last wrote you, more Senators are now publicly agreeing to "Stand with Rand."
%?FISRST?%, the pressure from NAGR members is clearly working.
The list stands now stands at eight -- Paul (R-KY), Cruz (R-TX), Lee (R-UT), Inhofe (R-OK), Rubio (R-FL), Burr (R-NC), Moran (R-KS), Enzi (R-WY) and Johnson (R-WI).
Others have signaled tepid support.
But time is running out, so it's vital you and I turn up the heat even more to reach the 41 votes necessary to win.
So please sign your Emergency Fax Petition IMMEDIATELY.
For Freedom,
Dudley Brown
Executive Vice President
P.S. Politicians in BOTH parties in Washington, D.C. are working feverishly to trick gun owners into trading more of our Second Amendment rights for a shiny chunk of fools' gold.
And without your action today, I'm afraid they may just succeed.
So please sign your new Emergency Fax Petition urging your Senators to oppose any "deal" and instead "Stand With Rand" to prevent any gun-related bill from reaching the floor.
Dear David,
I heard the news just minutes ago.
Behind closed doors in Washington, D.C. there's a new smoky backroom "deal" in the works.
And while no one will say so on the record, according to my sources in both the House and the Senate, the NRA is secretly right smack dab in the middle of it.
I'll give you the details in just a moment . . .
But David, with only four days until the U.S. Senate goes back into session, please realize this is crunch time.
New developments in this fight are going to come fast and furious.
Politicians in BOTH parties in Washington, D.C. are working feverishly to trick gun owners into trading more of our Second Amendment rights for a shiny chunk of fools' gold.
And without your action today, I'm afraid they may just succeed.
That's why I've created a new Emergency Fax Petition, urging your Senators to oppose any "deal" and instead "Stand With Rand" to prevent any gun-related bill from reaching the floor.
What the gun-grabbers want as part of their deal is no surprise -- ATF Witch hunt legislation.
Sold as a bill to supposedly stop "gun trafficking," this legislation would dramatically ramp up penalties on Americans who sell firearms to "prohibited persons" -- if the seller "should have known."
The legal definitions of both of these phrases is so vague, they're an anti-gun ATF agent's dream come true.
This scheme is designed to get gun owners to start screaming FOR a national gun registry because ultimately the only way you'll be able to protect yourself from ATF goons is to get prior federal approval for every gun transfer.
So David, should this ATF Witch Hunt legislation ever become law, it would be an outright DISASTER.
But aren't you and I supposed to "get" something as part of this deal?
Sure.
So-called "National concealed carry reciprocity."
Sounds nice doesn't it?
Like you, I believe the Second Amendment means what it says, and it's the birthright of every American to exercise their God-given right to keep and bear arms.
But there's a BIG FAT catch . . .
President Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder and all the rest of this anti-gun administration would get the names and addresses of every permit holder in the country so they can "properly enforce" the new scheme.
Worse, instead of your State Legislature setting the concealed carry laws for your state, now Dianne Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, and all the rest would get a say in setting up new "common sense standards."
David, so-called "National Concealed Carry Reciprocity" is hardly a step in the right direction.
Instead, it's a thinly-veiled attempt to stop the progress you and I have been making working through State Legislatures in recent years.
Today, only a few states in America deny citizens the ability to carry concealed in some fashion.
20 years ago, it was 14.
Not only that, but through successes like passing Constitutional Carry in Arizona and Wyoming -- which simply states that if you're legal to own a firearm, you're legal to carry it –- state laws are getting less and less restrictive every year.
Should this "deal" pass, I'm afraid it will be the end of all of our progress!
So when I first heard the news, the NRA is quietly working behind the scenes for this "deal" with weak-kneed GOP Senators, I was shocked and saddened.
Even despite the horrific "merits" of the "deal" being discussed, it will get much, much worse before it's all said and done.
As I told you before, any "deal" that gathers the 60 votes needed to overcome Senator Paul's filibuster and reaches the floor for debate will only serve as a vehicle for Harry Reid and his anti-gun cronies to pile on with amendments.
Magazine bans, the Feinstein Gun Ban and national gun registration under the guise of "universal background checks" could be in the works.
In fact, just days ago, Asa Hutchison -- director of the NRA's National School Shield Task Force -- said he was "open" to expanding "background checks."
Of course, the NRA immediately backed off his comments.
But why is the NRA STILL refusing to back Senator Paul's filibuster?
Is it because they're going to try and break the Paul filibuster with their own misguided "deal" and play right into the gun-grabbers' hands?
I sincerely hope not.
But as I mentioned, this first vote on the motion to proceed to debate on ANY gun-related bill is where you and I must win -- "deal" or no deal.
And blowing this scheme wide open RIGHT NOW before the Senate goes back into session gives you and me a fighting chance.
That's why it's absolutely critical you sign your Emergency Fax Petition IMMEDIATELY, urging your Senators to oppose any "deal" and instead "Stand With Rand" to prevent any gun-related bill from reaching the floor.
And if possible, I hope you'll agree to your most generous financial support.
Fortunately, since I last wrote you, more Senators are now publicly agreeing to "Stand with Rand."
%?FISRST?%, the pressure from NAGR members is clearly working.
The list stands now stands at eight -- Paul (R-KY), Cruz (R-TX), Lee (R-UT), Inhofe (R-OK), Rubio (R-FL), Burr (R-NC), Moran (R-KS), Enzi (R-WY) and Johnson (R-WI).
Others have signaled tepid support.
But time is running out, so it's vital you and I turn up the heat even more to reach the 41 votes necessary to win.
So please sign your Emergency Fax Petition IMMEDIATELY.
For Freedom,
Dudley Brown
Executive Vice President
P.S. Politicians in BOTH parties in Washington, D.C. are working feverishly to trick gun owners into trading more of our Second Amendment rights for a shiny chunk of fools' gold.
And without your action today, I'm afraid they may just succeed.
So please sign your new Emergency Fax Petition urging your Senators to oppose any "deal" and instead "Stand With Rand" to prevent any gun-related bill from reaching the floor.
woodsman30
Well-Known Member
My question is why? Yes this is true I had done the research but am amazed Forbes magazine published this. Do read it http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbe...ecurity-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/
I have been following this very close and what has lead up to the out right attack on the right to bears arms. What is being done is very scary. I am not a conspircy guy so dont go there I just do a lot of research and all I can say is I hope Americans are ready for whats comming.
I have been following this very close and what has lead up to the out right attack on the right to bears arms. What is being done is very scary. I am not a conspircy guy so dont go there I just do a lot of research and all I can say is I hope Americans are ready for whats comming.
None of this changes the fact that Jews were Suppressed, Brutalized and Murdered by the Third Reich. A lot of other ethnic groups suffered the same. I see nothing in your link that sways my thinking at all. Gun Control within a country will kill those who oppose the standing government in their thinking or their actions.
So, what's your point here. Hitler controlled guns going to those who opposed his rise to ultimate power. Just like the far left is doing here to those of us living Within The Borders Of The United States..... Communism is on the move here
and I personally DON'T LIKE IT....
poppop
Well-Known Member
So please sign your new Emergency Fax Petition urging your Senators to oppose any "deal" and instead "Stand With Rand" to prevent any gun-related bill from reaching the floor.I tryed and it said forbiddon 403?Dave you the man,God bless.+1000
slobmanrf
Well-Known Member
Maybe when North Korea starts firing nukes next week, washington and the media will have "bigger fish to fry"and decide to leave our guns alone? After all we may need em!
85 MAX-fan
Well-Known Member
The MYTH OF HITLER?
Like I said Dave, I am curious if you believe the holocaust was real or if it didn't happen.
Why is it always Hitler........UUUHHHH DDUUUHHH let me see, tyranical movement leads to the murder of millions and plunges the world into the most atrocious war in history. Systematic enslavement, execution, murder and mechanized processing of millions of the victims corpses......
Geee, why would anyone want to learn about the effects of tyranny with subject matter like that....?
Of course we could discuss other Statists, like Stalin for example.....
I know this is from Fox news but its an interview with the Texas attorney General stating that my state will lead in the shutting down of this UN arms treaty crap mess the the dictator obama is pushing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-L3u3qIMRg&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-L3u3qIMRg&feature=youtu.be
Genius's vs IDIOTS.:confused2::ummm:
If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for being in the country illegally ? you might live in a nation founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If you have to get your parents? permission to go on a field trip or take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion ? you might live in a nation founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If you have to show identification to board an airplane, cash a check,
buy liquor, or check out a library book, but not to vote who runs the government ? you might live in a nation founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If the government wants to ban stable, law-abiding citizens from
owning gun magazines with more than ten rounds, but gives twenty F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt ? you might live in a nation founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If, in the nation?s largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but not a 24-ounce soda because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make you
fat ? you might live in a nation founded by geniuses but run by
idiots.
If an 80-year-old woman or a three-year-old girl confined to a
wheelchair can be strip-searched by the TSA, but a woman in a burka or hijab is
only subject to having her neck and head searched ? you might live in a nation founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions
of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more ? you might live in a
nation founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If a seven-year-old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his
teacher is ?cute,? but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class
in grade school is perfectly acceptable ? you might live in a nation
founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If children are forcibly removed from parents who discipline them with
spankings, while children of addicts are left in filth- and
drug-infested ?homes? ? you might live in a nation founded by
geniuses but run by idiots.
If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more government
intrusion, while not working is rewarded with EBT cards, WIC checks,
Medicaid, subsidized housing, and free cell phones ? you might live in
a nation founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If the government?s plan for getting people back to work is to provide
incentives for not working through 99 weeks of unemployment checks,
without any requirement to prove they sought, but couldn?t find, work
? you might live in a nation founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If you pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest big
screen TV, while your neighbor buys iPhones, wall-sized plasma
do-it-all TV?s and new cars, and the government forgives his debt when
he defaults on his mortgage ? you might live in a nation founded by
geniuses but run by idiots.
If being stripped of the ability to defend yourself makes you more ?safe? according to the Government ? you might live in a nation
founded by geniuses but run by IDIOTS.......:bang head:
If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for being in the country illegally ? you might live in a nation founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If you have to get your parents? permission to go on a field trip or take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion ? you might live in a nation founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If you have to show identification to board an airplane, cash a check,
buy liquor, or check out a library book, but not to vote who runs the government ? you might live in a nation founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If the government wants to ban stable, law-abiding citizens from
owning gun magazines with more than ten rounds, but gives twenty F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt ? you might live in a nation founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If, in the nation?s largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but not a 24-ounce soda because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make you
fat ? you might live in a nation founded by geniuses but run by
idiots.
If an 80-year-old woman or a three-year-old girl confined to a
wheelchair can be strip-searched by the TSA, but a woman in a burka or hijab is
only subject to having her neck and head searched ? you might live in a nation founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions
of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more ? you might live in a
nation founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If a seven-year-old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his
teacher is ?cute,? but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class
in grade school is perfectly acceptable ? you might live in a nation
founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If children are forcibly removed from parents who discipline them with
spankings, while children of addicts are left in filth- and
drug-infested ?homes? ? you might live in a nation founded by
geniuses but run by idiots.
If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more government
intrusion, while not working is rewarded with EBT cards, WIC checks,
Medicaid, subsidized housing, and free cell phones ? you might live in
a nation founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If the government?s plan for getting people back to work is to provide
incentives for not working through 99 weeks of unemployment checks,
without any requirement to prove they sought, but couldn?t find, work
? you might live in a nation founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If you pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest big
screen TV, while your neighbor buys iPhones, wall-sized plasma
do-it-all TV?s and new cars, and the government forgives his debt when
he defaults on his mortgage ? you might live in a nation founded by
geniuses but run by idiots.
If being stripped of the ability to defend yourself makes you more ?safe? according to the Government ? you might live in a nation
founded by geniuses but run by IDIOTS.......:bang head:
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You just HAVE to wonder if Larry, Moe & Curley aren't running this show after all!! 
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Don't remember if this was in NY or somewhere else but I saw on the news a guy was forced to turn in 6 or 7 pistols simply because he is on medication that MAY cause violent behavior. No arrest record, no history of mental illness....and the guy is a competition shooter.
Seems like this could happen to any gun owner in the country who is the recipient of major surgery as it tends to make people a little ugly afterwards.
Seems like this could happen to any gun owner in the country who is the recipient of major surgery as it tends to make people a little ugly afterwards.
What do you expect in a country where Dodge ball is too violent?
http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/national/school-board-says-dodgeball-is-too-violent-for-students
http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/national/school-board-says-dodgeball-is-too-violent-for-students
MtnMax/Magniac
Well-Known Member
SpecOps, I borrowed your post for another forum.
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