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[dannymax]

Do I dare ask how dark your skin is ?:ummm:

:rofl_200::rofl_200::rofl_200: Sure....pale skinned Mic....a major drawback to my plan and explains the 'appearance adjustment' part!! :rofl_200::rofl_200::rofl_200:

In fact....here's an old shot from my Carry Concealed permit.....think I'll qualify for some free ****? :biglaugh:

 

[ridinnoshiftin]

:rofl_200::rofl_200::rofl_200: Sure....pale skinned Mic....a major drawback to my plan and explains the 'appearance adjustment' part!! :rofl_200::rofl_200::rofl_200:

In fact....here's an old shot from my Carry Concealed permit.....think I'll qualify for some free ****? :biglaugh:

Wow, that mug shot looks like it was on a milk carton a few years prior and has since graduated to the post office wall...lmao. Thanks for sharing that picture Danny. :worthy: I think I will have a throwback movie weekend soon and watch Saturday Night Fever! It is kind of fun to remember the styles of the times. I am sure we all have some hidden away, or know someone that holds the past in a box of photos.


Todd

 

[srk468]

1. I'm not sure how many hops it takes to get from arming drug cartels to banning guns in the US but rest assured they won't happen. Nobody hears a story like that and thinks 'this is why we should ban guns'.
2. Hillary is stepping down for this term.
3. This UN treaty? http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp :ummm:

Obama doesn't really give a **** about gun control. Even after that movie theater shooting when The Dark Knight Rises came out the only statement he made was pretty much 'we should probably enforce the laws we already have'. There have been no statements regarding new legislation, bans, or anything else to get excited about. You guys seriously can relax about this.

No its not the same one, I actually read the 1'st draft and there was language to establish a nationwide gun registry but that idea has since been scrapped and now they are dealing primarily on exports... The problem with that is a whole bunch of cheap surplus ammo comes from Russia (export for them) so the prices of ammo and Kalashnikov style weapons will go up. They know right where to hit us, our wallets... I'm not one to drink the kool-aid either as I actually research this stuff for myself from unbiased references.

The reason they were running guns to Mexico is early in Obama's term Hillary produced a number out of her ass that 70% of the guns used in crimes in Mexico came from the USA (Obama and Eric Holder agreed with this assessment) but a document leaked directly from the Mexican government roughly 2 weeks later proved that actually over 85% came from places such as Somalia and Africa (why buy semiautomatic guns from the USA when you can buy automatics from there even cheaper) so needless to say some people had to eat some crow.. This is when operation wide receiver was recommisioned and renamed operation fast and furious, the idea was to track weapons through straw purchasers to the Mexican drug cartels but the problem was that the ATF had absolutely no way of doing this so they were just letting the guns walk when gun store owners were calling them with known straw purchasers but were just told to sell them the weapons anyway and they would track them, problem is they never did... The whole thing blew up in a giant scandal that has resulted in Obama using executive privilege to excuse Holder from being held in contempt of congress for not producing documents directly tied to operation fast and furious. Doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure out what the goal was here.. This is chess not checkers so you have to look a few moves ahead...

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[ZackDaniels]

No UN treaty of any language could supersede the 2nd amendment. If we entered into a treaty that required it to be changed then it would need to be changed using the normal process. This would be a very public and hotly debated thing, and nobody near the administration has expressed any interest in bothering with it.

Fast and furious was a terribly planned and terribly executed op and it's really a **** thing that executive privilege was used to cover people's ***** on it. I'll believe massive incompetence over phase 1 of some multi-phased conspiracy to ban guns though.

Weapons trade regulation could possibly result in higher cost of imported guns and ammo... but again it hasn't been a major issue for the administration. If it happens... buy American?

 

[srk468]

No UN treaty of any language could supersede the 2nd amendment. If we entered into a treaty that required it to be changed then it would need to be changed using the normal process. This would be a very public and hotly debated thing, and nobody near the administration has expressed any interest in bothering with it.

Fast and furious was a terribly planned and terribly executed op and it's really a **** thing that executive privilege was used to cover people's ***** on it. I'll believe massive incompetence over phase 1 of some multi-phased conspiracy to ban guns though.

Weapons trade regulation could possibly result in higher cost of imported guns and ammo... but again it hasn't been a major issue for the administration. If it happens... buy American?

Registration wouldn't technically be infringing so they could pull that one off if they wanted to but we all know where that road leads...

So he'll allow our ambassador and others to be killed while he watches on a drone but he'll risk his ass directly by an executive order just to try to bail out Holder? Sorry I'm not buying that one, he sure doesn't seem to have a problem throwing anyone else under the bus so I seriously doubt he'd have any problems letting Holder fall on the sword unless Obama is involved in some way although I have no hard evidence on that one..

I do buy american whenever I can but we are talking about the people with not alot of $$ here that still wish to protect themselves and their families and just can't afford an AR15 or the more expensive 5.56mm ammo. I'm sure I'm not going to magically convince you of my point of view just as you will not convince me of yours, all I'm asking is to be aware of what's really going on and don't depend too heavily on Snopes to get to the bottom of a subject because they get **** wrong all the time... Just look at the data and decide for yourself

 

[srk468]

Ohh and btw, the ATF already forced more gun control of the border states... It wasn't voted on either (in other words they succeeded) You can only buy so many guns a week now, I don't necessarily disagree with this but I'm making a point... This has already caused more gun control than was there to begin with, if we wouldn't have found out the info and then witnessed the coverup who knows what else could have been imposed with no vote...

 

[Rollie]

No UN treaty of any language could supersede the 2nd amendment. If we entered into a treaty that required it to be changed then it would need to be changed using the normal process. This would be a very public and hotly debated thing, and nobody near the administration has expressed any interest in bothering with it.

Fast and furious was a terribly planned and terribly executed op and it's really a **** thing that executive privilege was used to cover people's ***** on it. I'll believe massive incompetence over phase 1 of some multi-phased conspiracy to ban guns though.

Weapons trade regulation could possibly result in higher cost of imported guns and ammo... but again it hasn't been a major issue for the administration. If it happens... buy American?

This is how gun control will sneak by:

UN CELEBRATES OBAMA RE-ELECTION BY PUSHING GLOBAL GUN CONTROL
POSTED BY THEGUNMAG ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 7, 2012 04:10 PM. UNDER GUN MAG REPORTS, UN ATT

Less than 24 hours after winning re-election, President Barack Obama?s administration joined with China, France, Germany and the United Kingdom, and more than 150 other governments, in supporting renewed debate on the proposed United Nations Arms Trade Treaty, confirming the worst fears of the American gun rights community.

The vote came at the U.N. General Assembly?s meeting of the First Committee on Disarmament at the world organization?s headquarters in New York City.

?It?s obvious that our warnings over the past several months have been true,? said Alan Gottlieb, founder and executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation. ?The election was called about 11 p.m. Tuesday and by 11 a.m. this morning, we got word that the United States was supporting this resolution. We have to be more vigilant in our efforts to stop this proposed treaty.?

SAF Operations Director Julianne Versnel, who has been back and forth to the United Nations over this proposal, said the fight is not finished. The measure will be considered for finalization in March 2013.

?We will continue to monitor this issue and oppose any effort to enforce a global gun control measure,? she stated.

Amnesty International issued a statement Wednesday lauding passage of the resolution, saying the treaty will protect human rights.

?The right of self-defense is a human right,? Gottlieb countered, ?and in this country, the Second Amendment protects that right.

?Just days ago as he campaigned for re-election,? he concluded, ?Barack Obama told his supporters that voting is the ?best revenge.? I guess now we know what he was talking about. The revenge he seeks is against American gun owners and their Second Amendment rights.?

The Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org) is the nation?s oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 650,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control. In addition to the landmark McDonald v. Chicago Supreme Court Case, SAF has previously funded successful firearms-related suits against the cities of Los Angeles; New Haven, CT; New Orleans; Chicago and San Francisco on behalf of American gun owners, a lawsuit against the cities suing gun makers and numerous amicus briefs holding the Second Amendment as an individual right.

 

[ouchez]

News guys,,,if the feds really want your guns,,they will take them, simple as that,,,and most will just give it up,,,because the vast majority are just ******.

The bill of rights is already being violated as well as the constitution,,,,anyone out there screaming.........////////////////////???????????????hm..........do you hear it:damn angry:

How many of you fly????????

O

 

[dannymax]

News guys,,,if the feds really want your guns,,they will take them, simple as that,,,and most will just give it up,,,because the vast majority are just ******.

The bill of rights is already being violated as well as the constitution,,,,anyone out there screaming.........////////////////////???????????????hm..........do you hear it:damn angry:

How many of you fly????????

O

Can't disagree with that! Really don't think it will ever get to that point tho....physically impossible to confiscate ALL guns....registered, traceable ones maybe, but never all of them.

Hell, worse comes to worst....all the bad guys will still have guns, just smack a bad guy in the head with a baseball bat and take his.....simple!

 

[Rollie]

Can't disagree with that! Really don't think it will ever get to that point tho....physically impossible to confiscate ALL guns....registered, traceable ones maybe, but never all of them.

Hell, worse comes to worst....all the bad guys will still have guns, just smack a bad guy in the head with a baseball bat and take his.....simple!

+1 No telling , ( literally ) , how many extra firearms ( more than one in a household ) there are in this country. It was another reason Japan was afraid of a land attack on the U.S.

 

[dannymax]

+1 No telling , ( literally ) , how many extra firearms ( more than one in a household ) there are in this country. It was another reason Japan was afraid of a land attack on the U.S.

Exactly....and other than a few registered handguns...all untraceable. Short of a cellar to ceiling search of every residence (which will never happen) there's just no way to get them all. Of course there would be some kind of voluntary surrender program but no one in their right mind would take THAT seriously!

Might just nose around for a little extra insurance in the form of a couple dbl.bbl. 12's....they make a nice armchair weapon and the discarded barrell lengths can be used for cheater bars in the shop. :biglaugh:

 

[ZackDaniels]

Ohh and btw, the ATF already forced more gun control of the border states... It wasn't voted on either (in other words they succeeded) You can only buy so many guns a week now

All I found on that was this http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/11/rifle.sales.reporting/index.html which is stricter reporting of sales of sniper rifles.

Here's another thing talking about wanting increased reporting in border states
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-obama-coming-after-guns-under-radar-nra-say/. Where is the info on new requirements that limit guns-sold-per-week?

My whole point was that the Obama administration isn't focused on gun control and has no agenda on this. He has no campaign promises related to increased gun control, and he's made no administrative efforts on the removal or reduction of gun availability.

In response you have pointed out there is a treaty that may increase the cost for guns and ammo from Russia. This clearly has other intentions in mind and the increased cost if any would be a side-effect and not the goal.

There is increased reporting of sales in some states for certain weapons. A motion that appears to have been met with a civilian group lawsuit and may get overturned. The purpose of this doesn't appear to ban sales or aggressively monitor US citizens and militia groups. Increased monitoring may indeed be a side-effect of it, but sales don't appear to be affected even as a side-effect.

These things don't point to an agenda, and there's really no reason for him to cloak and dagger gun control. Those passionate about gun rights are typically Republican, and so he wouldn't be risking pissing off his own party and base by going against them. The Dem base contains those wanting much stronger gun control, and he would rally people up behind him by making it an agenda.

Assuming he does have an agenda, and assuming he's keeping it a secret. Why? What good does keeping it 'under the radar' do? He's not afraid of controversial action in broad daylight (stimulus, Obamacare, etc), and so what makes this issue which would play strongly to his hardcore supporters so different?

He had that theater shooting which he could have used to gather public support for 'we need stronger regulation' and didn't. There's a known cry within his own party to close a loophole that allows guns to be sold without a background check and he's made no comment or shown any interest in backing it. These are things that somebody championing a cause would highlight in debates, speeches, rallies, etc. He and his administration are just not that interested in gun control regulation. He's not adamantly pro-gun, but neither was Romney and so when something targeting a different issue results in higher cost or increased reporting for assault weapons or sniper rifles he won't be rushing to strike it down. The hopes of candidate pushing hard on pro-gun and blocking everything that even slightly changed gun sales in the US went away with Gingrich in the primaries.

 

[srk468]

I must apologize I initially read that wrong and it is just increased reporting but it is on any weapon larger than .22 caliber with a detatchable magazine and if you buy more than one then you are added to a suspicious activity list..

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[dannymax]

I must apologize I initially read that wrong and it is just increased reporting but it is on any weapon larger than .22 caliber with a detatchable magazine and if you buy more than one then you are added to a suspicious activity list..

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I don't understand the caliber choice....there's some really fine weapons in the .22 & smaller category. Just to name a few.........

.17 Remington Fireball
.22 Accelerator
.22 Hornet
.22 CHeetah
.204 Ruger
.218 Bee
.219 Zipper
.220 Russian
.220 Swift
.221 Remington Fireball
.22-250 Remington
.222 Remington
.222 Remington Magnum
.223 Remington
.223 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.224 Weatherby Magnum
.225 Winchester

 

[ZackDaniels]

Gun control aside... here are some things you can expect movement on in the next 4 years:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/stalled/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/in-the-works/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/not-yet-rated/

The good:

Fully and properly equip troops
Require full disclosure of company pension investments to employees
Develop a comprehensive cyber security and response strategy
Work to persuade the European Union to end credit guarantees to Iran

The bad:

Make the Veterans Administration a national leader in health reform

The Ugly:

Provide a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants

These are things he's campaigned on and will be pushing for. Love him or hate him he's in for another 4, and these are things I suggest you pay attention to as you'll be able to write your congressmen to support or oppose when they have activity. You don't even need to be a news hound (like me lol) to know when this stuff comes up. A lot of governors, senators, and house reps now have Facebook pages managed by their staff. They announce when there's something they're strongly against or for and you can show support or opposition as easily as you post on this forum.

That's all I've been saying with my collection of posts in various threads on this stuff. There are some things that become big issues and hyped up in the media when they're misleading or false, and there are others that are getting big political pushes and very much true. Everybody's time and energy is way better spent on the real stuff. Some things (like gun control) are not an open issue from this guy, but that doesn't mean there will be no activity on them. There's an entire congress full of various agendas and bills are proposed, debated, and passed every day. Stay informed on those from more direct sources like Rollie's mag, but try to be aware that a lot of things get blown out of proportion or 'doom and gloomed' and fingers do end up getting pointed in wrong directions... this ultimately hurts the cause because we end up pushing for change from somebody who's not involved and not interested instead of somebody who is.

 

[Rollie]

If you agree he's a socailist , he is for gun control , among many other anti-american freedoms and principles in our " 57 states " . I could list them , but I don't think there is enough time or space here. Besides , I'm giving up and joining the hand out line myself . 66 and eligible . Maybe I'll vote for the Dems next time . The republicans have convinced me that based on who and what they were running against , and they couldn't win in a landslide , this countrys demographics have changed so dramatically in 5 years , they are basically dead and buried as far as the presidency is concerned. It's now a popularity / idol contest and who wants to play Santa for 4 years the next time around. I guess 236 years is about all we were allowed by the powers that be. I forget who said it , but you can't give power to those who have no skin in the game 'cause they will just vote themselves more free ice cream .

 

[srk468]

I don't understand the caliber choice....there's some really fine weapons in the .22 & smaller category. Just to name a few.........

.17 Remington Fireball
.22 Accelerator
.22 Hornet
.22 CHeetah
.204 Ruger
.218 Bee
.219 Zipper
.220 Russian
.220 Swift
.221 Remington Fireball
.22-250 Remington
.222 Remington
.222 Remington Magnum
.223 Remington
.223 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.224 Weatherby Magnum
.225 Winchester

It does include the .223 Remington (I had to check into that as well) because they couldn't omit the dreaded AR15 from their list...

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[ZackDaniels]

If you agree he's a socailist , he is for gun control , among many other anti-american freedoms and principles in our " 57 states " . I could list them , but I don't think there is enough time or space here. Besides , I'm giving up and joining the hand out line myself . 66 and eligible . Maybe I'll vote for the Dems next time .

There you go I don't agree he's a socialist. He's actually rather center of the political spectrum. For example he's not anti-gun or anti-american... what in his stated policies, actions, and agendas suggests this? Excluding health care because that's an extremely diverse topic worthy of it's own thread. I'll sum that up with this: The goal of health care reform is not to just give free care to everybody and walk away, it's to drive the cost of health care down and thus making the entire country more wealthy. How to go about that is debatable, and no doubt you think Obamacare fails at doing that, but that is the goal.

You say getting SS is getting in the handout line? You have paid into that program every single pay check of your life and so has every American since it became law in 1937. Now you're retiring and it's handout to ask for your own money back? You were told back in the day that this was your retirement option, 401k's and personal investments didn't really become the norm until about 10 years ago. I'm 30 and I have heard SS might not be around by the time I retire, and so maybe that's a hand out for me come the time since I have most my working life of knowing that's a possibility. You and people your age were told repeatedly this program was worth paying into because you would eventually get your turn... and now that it's time to claim your investment that's a handout? What the hell?

 

[RaWarrior]

It's now a popularity / idol contest and who wants to play Santa for 4 years the next time around. I guess 236 years is about all we were allowed by the powers that be. I forget who said it , but you can't give power to those who have no skin in the game 'cause they will just vote themselves more free ice cream .

And here's the hole in the piston of the political engine. Until someone comes in and changes it, things aren't going to run right.

 

[MtnMax/Magniac]

Bear in mind, these are not my words, they are from a high level political party advisor, and they can explain not only how Obama got elected the first time, but also how he got re-elected.

RESPECTED DEMOCRAT OPERATIVE SPILLS HIS GUTS ON WHAT HE THINKS OF HIS PARTY

http://mikesright.wordpress.com/201...litically-clueless/lunapic_135041541289865_1/James Carville, Democrat political consultant extraordinaire ? and former Bill Clinton campaign manager, has astonishingly come out and said what all good Republicans have known for decades: Not only are most Democrats politically clueless; they?re easily manipulated by the puppet masters of their party as well. Here?s an excerpt, as quoted by Amazon.com:
?Ideologies aren?t all that important. What?s important is psychology. The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That?s why I became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd. Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don?t have a clue as to political reality. What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard workers and convince them that they should support social programs that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you want. The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic operative instead of a Republican was because there were more Democrats that didn?t have a clue than there were Republicans. Truth is relative. Truth is what you can make the voter believe is the truth. If you?re smart enough, truth is what you make the voter think it is. That?s why I?m a Democrat. I can make the Democratic voters think whatever I want them to.?

One thing about Carville, he?s not been afraid through the years of pointing out Democrat faults. He only consults with them for money....like the reason for Clyde Barrow?s affinity for banks. But this is different, this amounts to a total description of the strategy of the Democrat?s quintessential ?political lie?: Liberals saying things they know aren?t true for the sole purpose of exploiting the ?less-than-informed? for political gain.....the Democrat Manifesto. Bravo, James Carville ? and thanks for the validation of what is obvious to so many.