Petraeus Resigns due to Affair

[ZackDaniels]

Now, in Michigan, a teacher with 34 years, Masters Degrees, retires at $34 to $36000 a year,( after also paying into the system) and pays 20% of a lessened health care program, new teachers get no defined pension, and no health care upon retirement.

It is time to treat police and fire retirement and benefits programs in a similar pension and benefit program as teachers, as an example, but they also need to put in the same amount of time, no 20-25 year retirement program.

O

Those numbers just tell me you need to be paying your teachers way more, and not your firemen way less. Breaking 6 figures after 25 years of service to a company shouldn't raise that big of an eyebrow.

A lot of jobs (around here at least) start at 40k. You have to do some hourly retail/fast food to make much less than that. 25 years of cost of living raises and bonuses is almost impossible to find now so I don't really have a private sector comparison, but $17 an hour ($36,000 a year) after 25 years would the problem, and not the $100,000.

Your property taxes and city sales tax programs pay for firemen among loads of other services usually. The % of your property tax that ends up going to worker salaries is probably among the lowest things on your overall tax bill. This is a fairly silly part of the overall tax code to take issue with, and frankly I'm glad to learn firemen are paid reasonable wages. That means it attracts reasonable people to the job. I don't want a bunch of tards crashing the firetruck into my house instead of putting the fire out.

 

[ouchez]

Those numbers just tell me you need to be paying your teachers way more, and not your firemen way less. Breaking 6 figures after 25 years of service to a company shouldn't raise that big of an eyebrow.

A lot of jobs (around here at least) start at 40k. You have to do some hourly retail/fast food to make much less than that. 25 years of cost of living raises and bonuses is almost impossible to find now so I don't really have a private sector comparison, but $17 an hour ($36,000 a year) after 25 years would the problem, and not the $100,000.

Your property taxes and city sales tax programs pay for firemen among loads of other services usually. The % of your property tax that ends up going to worker salaries is probably among the lowest things on your overall tax bill. This is a fairly silly part of the overall tax code to take issue with, and frankly I'm glad to learn firemen are paid reasonable wages. That means it attracts reasonable people to the job. I don't want a bunch of tards crashing the firetruck into my house instead of putting the fire out.

Zack,

I see you are from Chicago, a great example for the rest of the country,,NOT!:rofl_200: (I believe the worst business environment and highest tax structure in the US, and extremely unsafe.)

That $36,000 is a retirement figure, not yearly wage. Let us see, I begin as a firemen at age 23, retire at 49, begin to receive a $100.000 a year pension plus full health care,,live to 85 years of age. That is $3,600,000 I have received for 36 years not as a Firemen, plus $8000 a year in Gov. paid health care. Now, that is what I call a "Public Servant". GREAT gig if you can get it,,,horrible for the guy paying the bill!

O

 

[ZackDaniels]

I'm not really sure what that has to do with it, but.... at least it's not Detroit? Go Bears?

Anyway... Firefighters here deserve every dime we can afford to pay them for the shit they've got to deal with. A lot of people in crap areas that feel the need to call for help will call the fire dept before police to give themselves a chance to get away. It's not uncommon for them to respond to a 'cat stuck in a tree' scenario to find out there is no tree, and the cat is a child that's been shot.

The City of Chicago works remarkably well for a large city. Especially for one off a lake that can't have reasonable transit design to enter at all sides. It's the county and state that have constant budget issues.

The 2013 city's budget agrees with you though - something has to be done about pensions. http://www.chicagobusiness.com/arti...w-budget-no-new-taxes-but-lots-of-new-revenue

This seems appropriate. A world without firefighters:

At least his taxes are a slightly lower.

 

[ouchez]

I'm not really sure what that has to do with it, but.... at least it's not Detroit? Go Bears?

Anyway... Firefighters here deserve every dime we can afford to pay them for the shit they've got to deal with. A lot of people in crap areas that feel the need to call for help will call the fire dept before police to give themselves a chance to get away. It's not uncommon for them to respond to a 'cat stuck in a tree' scenario to find out there is no tree, and the cat is a child that's been shot.

The City of Chicago works remarkably well for a large city. Especially for one off a lake that can't have reasonable transit design to enter at all sides. It's the county and state that have constant budget issues.

The 2013 city's budget agrees with you though - something has to be done about pensions. http://www.chicagobusiness.com/arti...w-budget-no-new-taxes-but-lots-of-new-revenue

This seems appropriate. A world without firefighters:

At least his taxes are a slightly lower.

What really happened here is the community could no longer afford active firefighters because the retired firemen took all the funds and were on a beach in Mexico sipping Pina Coladas and getting foot rubs from the local hotties.:rofl_200:

O