WTF is wrong withe people

[dannymax]

This country will have firearms regardless of regulation. It's far too large to prevent gun traffic, just look at our prohibition laws, the effects of the war on drugs, etc.

What is needed to change this is a cultural shift and education about firearms. It takes time but it can happen and it can be fairly effective. Look at the difference in the average person's reaction to drunk driving in the 50's compared to today. Like it or not guns are here to stay, and in my opinion the most effective way to stop this story from continuing to pop up is public education on safety and responsibility of firearm ownership.

That's not about to happen though, the gun advocates that get press time come off as nutty and reckless, the gun law advocates will push for bans and other things that will just never get serious traction. Then somewhere in the middle we waste hours of airtime debating if video games or music is to blame for this.

It will continue making headlines until all sides calm down a bit and look to rational answers and awareness campaigns.

Can't go along with you there Zack! All public education will do is help prevent some accidental shootings due to ignorance.

The problems associated with this type of tragedy are far, far deeper than improper use of a firearm. This idiot, the guy in the theater in CO., and all those other clowns are very accomplished in the use of guns....just like lots of gun enthusiasts on this forum. Difference is, we don't go shooting up schools.

Finding out WHY those people do such horrible things is the root of the issue.

IMO saying guns are the problem is like saying chalk is responsible for all the racial slurs written on the overpasses.

 

[ZackDaniels]

I'm not really talking about responsible ownership itself. I'm talking about educating the public that the average gun owner is responsible, and making ownership education more accessible to those interested. Does that make sense?

I guess to be blunt what I'm saying is the average person thinks gun enthusiasts are all crazy and irresponsible. It makes it harder to recognize when somebody actually is.

 

[NHVmaxpower]

Sad to say I honestly don't think there is any way to prevent random shootings. People today are just nuts if they don't get a gun there will be other ways. You can't stop crazy insane ****** up people. I'm not a gun owner but not against them at all , tougher gun regulations just is not the key. It's sad that we live in such a uptight stressful,fast paced world . Again the crazy people will keep on doing crazy coward killings. So so sad these poor innocent defensless children were killed.

 

[88vmx12]

I believe gun control will only keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Criminals care less about gun control laws as they have no intention of obeying

I am with you on this.... sure over time they might have a chance to slowly collect the guns from the criminals. However you need to look a long time in front of us! :ummm: Why do you think that there has never been a land invasion from a foreign country? Lets just say that our armed forces dwindle in the coming years and we can no longer truly protect our borders. The land invasion would be truly a way for the people that hate us on our land. Don't kid yourselves we are hated by many in the world, I know that this is thinking way down the road and many will say "oh that will never happen!" Just like they did when a Black president was running, so never say never.

Now if they take all of our guns....... They think they have problems with drug smugglers :rofl_200: Look out !

G

 

[Rollie]

You cannot legislate EVIL out of a free populace . EVIL will find a way to work its will through a morally corrupt person .

 

[wildweasel_pt]

Here comes 2nd amendment again... One thing is true, i don't see these school killing sprees anywhere else in the planet. And i do think gun control is important. And im in the military. I can have all the guns i want (being a military) and i have none. When guns are flowing freen in the market its much easier for a thug to get one. Theres always someone that will trade a gun for a handfull of dollars whether its legal or not... In portugal for you to have a gun you have to apply for an evaluation done by the police and you need to justify why you want to have a gun. Usually here to protect ourselves we have the police. Another thing is that i cannot kill a burglar inside my house, its the principle of unbalanced threat. If he threatens me with a knife inside my house and i shoot him im going to jail. It looks crazy but thats the way it is.

Another thing gun control will not keep the guns from the obeying citizens only. With less guns running around the perps won't be able to access them so easily. Even an obeying citizen can sell a gun to a stranger when money is needed... No one here can buy a gun. No one can sell it without going through strict scrutiny... Look at me in the states some 7 years ago with a Dirty Harry look... LOL

 

[cgswss]

First, I firmly believe that nut jobs like this are pumped up by all the publicity given other nut jobs. When the other nut went on a shooting spree and "only" killed a couple, I said to my Sister, With as much press as this is getting, I bet some other nut is going to pop up to show he can do a lot better job then that."

Second, while we don't know yet about this Guy, most of these guys have had treatment for mental problems. If any of you read the 4473 every one that buys a gun from a dealer has to fill out, most of these guys are outlawed from buying the guns already. Here we might be able to stop some by requiring mental health professional report the ID to the FBI- but that would kill the "right to privacy"

In the end, this guy is only 20, so I'm betting the pistols were stolen from someone, maybe a relative.

THere are like 75,000,000 "legal" and god knows how many "illegal" firearms in the US. You can't take away all of them. "gun control" is not the problem.

While we don't know in this case yet, In past mass shooting there have been several people in each that have taken the training and had the right to carry concealed weapons, but were not allowed to have there guns on them.

There is a reason these nut jobs don't go shoot up a police station or a gun club.

 

[bazwell]

Gun control worked in Australia. Sure, we have shootings. But gun control did work.

Some people say "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."
Then why give these people guns?

Some people think that there will always be evil people.
So why give these people guns?

Gun control doesn't stop legitimate people getting guns for legitimate reasons. It makes it harder to get a gun illegally. In Australia, it is also harder for somebody to take/steal a gun because in order to qualify for a gun, the owner needs a proper secure gun safe.

If a person is mental/stupid/immoral etc, and they think they are going to shoot someone (as we all do.... ), can they do it without access to a gun?

America just needs to make it harder for people to do things like this. If this kid had to think for a while, to actually plan to get a gun, to properly pre-meditate his crime, to secretly find a way to get a fiearm, maybe he would have come to the same conclusion everyone on here would come to. That is, don't do it, it is wrong. I think that in his rage he wasn't thinking straight.

 

[bazwell]

There is a reason these nut jobs don't go shoot up a police station or a gun club.

Is it because they are waek pathetic little ***** that weren't bought into line by being slapped in the back of the head by their parents when they were little?

 

[srk468]

My heart and soul goes out to all the families involved in this tragedy but I'm quite sure that he could have done just as much damage with household chemicals and gasoline making napalm bombs... There is no solution to crazy people, even tragedies aren't a good enough reason to legislate away our liberties... Knee jerk reactions are never a good thing in the legislative branch. Millions of Americans use these weapons for defense and sport, if you listen to all the screaming from the antigun people certainly not one person could survive the murderous rage that comes over a people once a gun is placed in their hands...

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[mr.maxx]

Is it because they are waek pathetic little ***** that weren't bought into line by being slapped in the back of the head by their parents when they were little?

aint that the truth!!!

 

[sdt354]

This fuels the anti-gun lobby no matter what. There are plenty of ways of producing mass mayhem other than firearms, like has been mentioned. And, this wacko would have found another means if guns weren't available. GUN CONROL DOES NOT WORK IN the US. There are too many bad guys that we need to protect ourselves from. Just because someone gets a gun doesn't mean they are proficient with it. Most people can’t hit the inner circle at 25 yards without practicing. Most people can strike a match on the first try though.
This is a very sad occurrence. A sick individual acted out and hurt a lot of people. Home grown terrorism at it's worst. Take the guns out of the equation because this is way deeper than a firearm issue. It would be nice to see someone cap a sick-o in the head when he first brandishes the gun. All schools need an armed police officer and metal detector, plus patrols by hired civilians or volunteers.
My 23 year old daughter teaches in Houston at Sharpstown High. I would be ecstatic if she came home next week and refused to ever go back. There is violence in that school on a daily basis. Armed police are in the school full time..She tells me stories I hate to listen to because it scares the **** out of me. She loves and is dedicated to those kids. My condolences to all effected by this sick, heinous, and cowardly act.
Steve-o

 

[NHVmaxpower]

aint that the truth!!!

That my friend has allot to do with it. Kids today are out of control n need discipline.

 

[dannymax]

I'm not really talking about responsible ownership itself. I'm talking about educating the public that the average gun owner is responsible, and making ownership education more accessible to those interested. Does that make sense?

I guess to be blunt what I'm saying is the average person thinks gun enthusiasts are all crazy and irresponsible. It makes it harder to recognize when somebody actually is.

Oh yeah, I read it wrong....and agree with you completely. Unfortunately, it's going to be pretty difficult to get any meaningful dialogue going for awhile.....pretty highly charged issue right now.....understandably.

 

[ouchez]

This fuels the anti-gun lobby no matter what. There are plenty of ways of producing mass mayhem other than firearms, like has been mentioned. And, this wacko would have found another means if guns weren't available. GUN CONROL DOES NOT WORK IN the US. There are too many bad guys that we need to protect ourselves from. Just because someone gets a gun doesn't mean they are proficient with it. Most people can?t hit the inner circle at 25 yards without practice. This is a very sad occurrence. A sick individual acted out and hurt a lot of people. Home grown terrorism at it's worst. Take the guns out of the equation because this is way deeper than a firearm issue. It would be nice to see someone cap a sick-o in the head when he first brandishes the gun. All schools need an armed police officer and metal detector, plus patrols by hired civilians or volunteers.
My 23 year old daughter teaches in Houston at Sharpstown High. I would be ecstatic if she came home next week and refused to ever go back. There is violence in that school on a daily basis. Armed police are in the school full time..She tells me stories I hate to listen to because it scares the **** out of me. She loves and is dedicated to those kids. My condolences to all effected by this sick, heinous act.
Steve-o

SDT,

I agree with your idea, even have a way of paying for it,,take the 5 billion$ a year we give Israel and Egypt and use that,,,are not our kids worthy of it????or maybe not,,,,,,,I say Ya, what do the Pols, Israelis and Egyptians say??

I say bring that money home and protect our kids with it,,,F### those other countries.:damn angry:

O

 

[maxcruiser]

First, my sympathies go out to all surviving family members of this tragedy.

The reasons that these things happen goes beyond gun control, it is from a lack of moral fiber. Society's moral fiber is at it's lowest point since the Roman Empire.

Lack of religion, less parental supervision, an overabundance of media (news, movies, music, computers, etc...), I can go on and on, but I think you get the point. Society today is numb. This incident will shock us, but sadly, it will soon be forgotten as the media will churn out another horror story after another.

Mike

 

[dannymax]

First, my sympathies go out to all surviving family members of this tragedy.

The reasons that these things happen goes beyond gun control, it is from a lack of moral fiber. Society's moral fiber is at it's lowest point since the Roman Empire.

Lack of religion, less parental supervision, an overabundance of media (news, movies, music, computers, etc...), I can go on and on, but I think you get the point. Society today is numb. This incident will shock us, but sadly, it will soon be forgotten as the media will churn out another horror story after another.

Mike

You're absolutely right Mike! unk:

The real problem is a broad based moral and social decay that has no easy fix....and most likely, no fix at all.

Less than 6 months after 9/11 the ditches were littered with the tattered remains of those little flags everyone put on their vehicles to prove how 'American and Patriotic' they were. Couldn't even be bothered to show enough respect for the flag to remove and dispose of it properly.

This too shall pass, become mired down in discussions of gun control and other such micro management type issues.

 

[cgswss]

OK- more information out... The guns were stolden. No gun control law (outside of totally outlawing ALL guns) would have prevented this. Frankly, I don't think anything would have stopped it, because this guy would no doubt have found a way.

WE can't put police in every school, but most schools a few gun owners among their staff. IF they were to get the proper training, and they were allowed to carry concealed things would be different.

I have carried for over 40 years. One time in that 40 years that has saved my butt. I have never had to discharge my weapon. A couple of months ago my best fried and I were eating when two people came in. one stood by the cash drawer while the other walked to the back and returned. We both though something was going to go down. I believe that the guy walking around saw the nose of my 1911 showing under my shirt, and changed his mind. After they left, the manager came over and thanked us saying "We were counting on you guys" We weren't the only ones that thought something was about to go down.

 

[m-cman]

Remember Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing? Do we outlaw fertilizer? As stated earlier, crazies will find a way...

I would like to see metal detectors and controlled access to schools. My old high school has had this for several years. When I went there (1961 grad) we didn't have anything like the problems we have now and things like this never even occurred to us... Went to an alumni function a couple years ago and the metal detector was just like the airport ones. Felt really strange. Kinda jarred my fond memories of high school...

 

[Redbone]

Teachers would abuse the right to use guns - they are not trained to do so.
Imagine giving a glock to 50yo the lady who never carried even a start pistol.
Baloney? Yeah, a real one.

Firstable USA population was x times smaller then today and less civilized, and less everything like video games, porn and drugs so pls do not compare...Im sure I can find at least dozen of school shooting cases from 60's but I do not intend to.
There's one more factor whoch should be rised here - minorty...I mean whos is who?
Balck people in 60's and white people 50 years later? I bealive hers's your goal.

For me the most vaulabe reason of rise against guns is a fact that rest of the world can live withouot it and by the same time not having any school shooting or terrorist attacks...

BTW guns in Swiss are ALLOWED...but guess what...nobody here heard of any civil shooting form centuries...

Have a good day getns.

God bless those children, their faimlies and friends. Senseless, just a senseless act.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zug_massacre
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/oct2001/swit-o09.shtml
http://www.top5ofanything.com/index.php?h=db8a4490
It seems that Norway was the scene for a 80 person killing spree just last year, all done by one man.
I would venture a guess that the media has a higher % of responsibility in these mass shooting cases than they will ever report or will be brought to light.
When I went to school we carried our guns on the bus, stored them in our lockers so we could go hunting right after school. Our Principle would occasionally check out our guns, mostly because he was also our NRA gun safety instructor too.
The guns that are used in crimes are "According to the latest available data, those who use guns in violent crimes rarely purchase them directly from licensed dealers; most guns used in crime have been stolen or transferred between individuals after the original purchase."
IMO gun related deaths are more an indication of society ills than a firearm issue.