New York & gun control

[Traumahawk]

Hmmmm maybe they are expecting trouble in the Homeland????

 

[Redbone]

Oh, don't worry. It's not that bad, debt is good, if they don't spend ourselves out of depression it will be worse, it was worse after WWII, George Bush is responsible, we can't afford not to spend more, even though we have increased government spending and devalued our currency on top of that for over 40 years its OK, nothing to see here, move along.
Just go back to watching Survivor on TV and let the liberals take gooood care of you, after all it has worked so well in Argentina, france, Zimbabwe, Greece, Spain etc etc.....

The Liberals do not want "the people" to focus on their actions, they are all about having some movie star tell how good things are, what is good for them and the sheeple just trudge along at their heels idolizing them. When someone speaks against their ideals they are quick to repeat the trash that their idols use to disparage opposing thoughts. I even heard that George Bush was responsible for all the recent bad storms too!:bang head:

 

[Rollie]

The Liberals do not want "the people" to focus on their actions, they are all about having some movie star tell how good things are, what is good for them and the sheeple just trudge along at their heels idolizing them. When someone speaks against their ideals they are quick to repeat the trash that their idols use to disparage opposing thoughts. I even heard that George Bush was responsible for all the recent bad storms too!:bang head:

..... and Global Warming Caused By Man........ yeah , right .

 

[SpecOps13]

George W. Bush, We Missed You From The Fist Day That You Were Gone.
You Weren't Perfect But You Atleast Believed In God, Guns And Country...

Global Warming is Al Gores Fault. Look at all the money it's made him.....

Wonder how long till BO disarms our Military.... We could give all our arms to Iran and North Korea and believe they'd kill each other to make us safe.....

SSGT Clinton Romesha, USMC, Ret, Received the Medal of Honor from Obama 2 days ago. If you observed the ceremony you noticed that Romesha did not even smile at the President. He was invited to attend the State of the Union speech as an honored guest by Obama and he declined. The story and photo below explains why he said to Obama...Thank you for the invitation, but I rather be with my comrades.







Dishonoring the Corps -

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David Codrea has revealed that aparently The President has so little regard for the United States Marines risking their lives under his command life that they were forced to dismantle their already empty parade rifles for his second inauguration parade.
?€œDidn?€™t know the Marines had to take the bolts out of their rifles for the Inaugural,?€? an email forwarded to Gun Rights Examiner from a United States Marine Corps source observed. ?€œWonder if someone can explain why [they] would be marching in the inaugural parade with no bolts in their rifles!?€?




The email linked to a YouTube video of the 57th Presidential Inaugural Parade, embedded in this column, featuring Bravo Company Marines from the Marine Barracks Washington. Sure enough, the observation in the email is confirmed by watching the video, with screen shots provided in the photo and slide show accompanying this article.


This prompted an internet search to see if others had also noticed, and they had. ?€œThe bolts have been removed from the rifles rendering them unable to fire a round,?€? the post stated. ?€œApparently Obama?€™s Secret Service doesn?€™t trust the USMC. Simply searching each guy to make sure he didn?€™t have a live round hidden on him wasn?€™t enough, they had to make sure the guns were inoperable.


Obama doesn?€™t trust the very men who put their lives on the line to serve their country. I guess it shouldn?€™t be that much of a shock. Untrustworthy people find it very difficult to believe that other men have honor.

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[forestdaledave]

"What would you do to attempt to control violence perpetrated by people with guns?"

Not sure again why you separate violence involving a gun, from those incidents I referenced before. It's violence Dave. John Gacy methodically tortured and strangled his victims to death, and you are silent about that. Thousands stabbed and or beaten to death in last few decades in New York, and you say nothing.
But if someone is shot, you rave about "gun violence".

"Gun violence" is a term specifically created by the statist to instill fear in the uninformed through its use as a soundbite. A well documented method to influence the easily misled people of the world.
Its not "gun violence" Dave. The gun doesn't fly arround Los Angeles firing itself killing people. Instead the reality is the US has literally thousands and thousands of people that would have no reservation about killing. Gun, knife, bludgeon, murder is murder. Comitted by a PERSON. They, and only they, hold the blame.

So what would I do about it? I would stop selling the lies that the social engineering our government has been doing is good, and that it is working. Our welfare state is largely responsible for creating generations of people that do not have any moral compass, and they are breeding like flies. I would CONTROL THE BORDER. Thousands of criminals come here and our statist politicians rant about how they are only here to work. BULLSHIT. I would allow people to BEAR ARMS, for their own protection and the protection of their loved ones. I would fire up ol' sparky and and execute those pieces of filth that don't deserve to ever shatter the lives of good people through their acts, and I would present a documentary about who and what they were, what they did, where it got them, and I would show their death publicly so that people understand that this will not be tolerated. Thats a start.

So, Ok just use violence in a larger sense. It seems you think that stopping violence is simply a matter of killing and locking up more people. With the highest incarceration rates in the world how is that working for you? With one of the highest gun ownership in the world how is the Bearing Arms working? Just as I thought, when you lay out your thoughts they are half baked, not thought out and have no empirical basis. Your position is called paranoid delusional. About "stop selling lies", you have bought up all the available stock.

 

[forestdaledave]

Dealing in facts, government spending;

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-spending-inferno-or-not/

more than enough info to chew on. Also read link on right about child gun deaths. 29,771 gun deaths in the U.S in year 2003, way more than Mexico's 50,000 since 2006. I have to laugh when people claim Mexico is dangerous but never experience it. Old fragile women live here without fear but tough Bikers are afraid. What is wrong with that picture?
Anyhow, yesterday I had a good ride on my Max. filled up with non-ethanol gas and cruised down the coast. Nope, I wasn't carrying, concealed or otherwise. No need to. Didn't have to worry about getting stopped by the police for an equipement check, no speed traps, no radar, not even a hard look by the police at the gas station. Some guy that I exchanged good morning with gave me some pistachios. I did make sure no burritos were stuck in my exhaust with a short blast to 115. Freedom is more, much more than a second amendment. Chris Dorner has been in the local news alot. Along with this totally paranoid affliction about the second amendment and needing guns to correct problems. He won alright. put a bullet in his own head and denying the police the pleasure. Yah, he won alright. I just hope when and if it comes down to crunch time sanity overtakes pararnoia.
David

 

[Traumahawk]

Well Dave sounds like you have a great life. I found some interesting facts and figures that i will post. These are snippets from Gunpolicy.org...and the numbers from it match the numbers for gun homicides from the CDC. It seems that as Americans get better armed and more people become CCH owners....homicides are falling...but rising in Mexico. In 2010 in Mexico 10 people per 100,000 died in a gun related homicide...and in the united states its 3.59 per 100,000.

One thing I can see....your trying very hard to say how good and safe Mexico is, and how unsafe and violent the States are. Why are you trying so hard?

 

[forestdaledave]

Well Dave sounds like you have a great life. I found some interesting facts and figures that i will post. These are snippets from Gunpolicy.org...and the numbers from it match the numbers for gun homicides from the CDC. It seems that as Americans get better armed and more people become CCH owners....homicides are falling...but rising in Mexico. In 2010 in Mexico 10 people per 100,000 died in a gun related homicide...and in the united states its 3.59 per 100,000.

One thing I can see....your trying very hard to say how good and safe Mexico is, and how unsafe and violent the States are. Why are you trying so hard?

I have a suggestion for you, use a neutral source for information.

 

[Traumahawk]

Like I said...these numbers matched those from the CDC....and they arent neutral? Where a lot of people get confused is trying to compare apples to apples. Gun homicides to Gun Homicides.

 

[a113ycat]

The Government has been working on this since the early sixties. I knew about this video I saw it last year and kinda blew it off but now it is making more and more sense. So I looked it up again. Here it is This is scary shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=FyfkQkchlu4

 

[ZackDaniels]

Oh, don't worry. It's not that bad, debt is good, if they don't spend ourselves out of depression it will be worse, it was worse after WWII, George Bush is responsible, we can't afford not to spend more, even though we have increased government spending and devalued our currency on top of that for over 40 years its OK, nothing to see here, move along.
Just go back to watching Survivor on TV and let the liberals take gooood care of you, after all it has worked so well in Argentina, france, Zimbabwe, Greece, Spain etc etc.....

That figure needs a few more 0's before it's on any of those levels.

 

[ouchez]

Dealing in facts, government spending;

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-spending-inferno-or-not/

more than enough info to chew on. Also read link on right about child gun deaths. 29,771 gun deaths in the U.S in year 2003, way more than Mexico's 50,000 since 2006. I have to laugh when people claim Mexico is dangerous but never experience it. Old fragile women live here without fear but tough Bikers are afraid. What is wrong with that picture?
Anyhow, yesterday I had a good ride on my Max. filled up with non-ethanol gas and cruised down the coast. Nope, I wasn't carrying, concealed or otherwise. No need to. Didn't have to worry about getting stopped by the police for an equipement check, no speed traps, no radar, not even a hard look by the police at the gas station. Some guy that I exchanged good morning with gave me some pistachios. I did make sure no burritos were stuck in my exhaust with a short blast to 115. Freedom is more, much more than a second amendment. Chris Dorner has been in the local news alot. Along with this totally paranoid affliction about the second amendment and needing guns to correct problems. He won alright. put a bullet in his own head and denying the police the pleasure. Yah, he won alright. I just hope when and if it comes down to crunch time sanity overtakes pararnoia.
David

Rosarito Dave,

Since you are so worried about children,,just wonderin,,,,are you Pro-Abortion?? million's of babies have been aborted since roe vs wade,,,,does that also bother you?

O

 

[srk468]

I don't give a shit what other countries do because they don't have a second amendment, before you try the "well regulated" argument read the federalist papers and it becomes overwhelmingly clear what the founders meant if you can't comprehend the English language enough to grasp what the second amendment actually says.

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[forestdaledave]

I don't give a shit what other countries do because they don't have a second amendment, before you try the "well regulated" argument read the federalist papers and it becomes overwhelmingly clear what the founders meant if you can't comprehend the English language enough to grasp what the second amendment actually says.

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Good, Scott. leads right into my link. This is a long read but worth it.

http://constitution.org/mil/embar2nd.htm

David

 

[srk468]

Good, Scott. leads right into my link. This is a long read but worth it.

http://constitution.org/mil/embar2nd.htm

David

Which also leads into my argument, look up D.C. vs Heller and see what the supreme court has to say...

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[Traumahawk]

Good, Scott. leads right into my link. This is a long read but worth it.

http://constitution.org/mil/embar2nd.htm

David

And so that is one man's INTERPRITATION of the 2nd amendment. Good for him....I don?t see it that way, and I know a lot of people that don?t see it that way either.

 

[srk468]

And so that is one man's INTERPRITATION of the 2nd amendment. Good for him....I don?t see it that way, and I know a lot of people that don?t see it that way either.

Amen, I did read it and I don't agree with it either and apparently neither does the supreme court

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[forestdaledave]

And so that is one man's INTERPRITATION of the 2nd amendment. Good for him....I don?t see it that way, and I know a lot of people that don?t see it that way either.

Appears you didn't read it or didn't understand what he wrote. It was way more than the author's opinion, which in fact as he stated he outlined many Court decisions and the developing historical dialogue about the second and the rest. One interesting point he made was the silence from the Supreme court and the bill of rights just limiting the federal gov. and not the state gov. It was food for thought not a partisan dialogue for or against any particular point of view concerning the second amendment. It wasn't an interpretation of the second so when you say you don't agree with it I don't know what you don't agree with. I actually thought you would like it because a lot of what he wrote backed up your myopic view without the paranoid rant. Did you happen to notice all the footnotes that backed up everything he wrote?
David

 

[85 MAX-fan]

Dealing in facts, government spending;

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-spending-inferno-or-not/

more than enough info to chew on. Also read link on right about child gun deaths. 29,771 gun deaths in the U.S in year 2003, way more than Mexico's 50,000 since 2006. I have to laugh when people claim Mexico is dangerous but never experience it. Old fragile women live here without fear but tough Bikers are afraid. What is wrong with that picture?
Anyhow, yesterday I had a good ride on my Max. filled up with non-ethanol gas and cruised down the coast. Nope, I wasn't carrying, concealed or otherwise. No need to. Didn't have to worry about getting stopped by the police for an equipement check, no speed traps, no radar, not even a hard look by the police at the gas station. Some guy that I exchanged good morning with gave me some pistachios. I did make sure no burritos were stuck in my exhaust with a short blast to 115. Freedom is more, much more than a second amendment. Chris Dorner has been in the local news alot. Along with this totally paranoid affliction about the second amendment and needing guns to correct problems. He won alright. put a bullet in his own head and denying the police the pleasure. Yah, he won alright. I just hope when and if it comes down to crunch time sanity overtakes pararnoia.
David

Of course your figure for the US is intentionally misleading in that it includes criminals shot by police in the comission of a crime, those shot by law abiding citizens in self defense, those willfully commiting suicide. What is the real number Dave?? Lets take it a step farther how many are criminals shooting other criminals with firearms obtained illegally as they laugh at your brilliant concept of disarming lawfull citizens while they will never be disarmed by any of your proposals. Why do you deny the working class the right to defend themselves while the political elites are surrounded by armed guards Dave?
Again Dave, answer my question about why you are perfectly happy letting murderers beat, stab and strangle people to death, as long as they don't use a gun? Still waiting for you answer.

 

[85 MAX-fan]

So, Ok just use violence in a larger sense.

Violence in a larger sense? Nonsensical Dave. I realize it fits your political agenda to allow wholesale slaughter of the honest working class people to bolster your support of statism, but I do not accept being rendered powerless to defend my loved ones against street trash to make your utopian world/statist's paradise. Executing savage murderers and allowing honest people to use force to stop those intent on harming them is hardly "in a larger sense". In fact it is very focused, and specific to those that ignore the law while laughing at your socialist controls.

It seems you think that stopping violence is simply a matter of killing and locking up more people. With the highest incarceration rates in the world how is that working for you?

Actually since the implementation of the three strikes law it has been largely effective at reducing our violent crime every year since it became law Dave. You simply refuse to acknowledge fact. You again intentionally include those incarcerated for petty drug crimes (which your statist leaders support) to try to create numbers that support your dillusions.

With one of the highest gun ownership in the world how is the Bearing Arms working?

It works perfectly Dave. If your mind can process it, read the book More Guns, Less Crime. A summary of the largest most indepth study of the effects of firearms ownership ever compiled. Of course you won't acknowlge the fully supported factual data, but that doesn't reduce the fact that it was compiled by a gun control supporter whose view was permanently changed when he debunked the liberal lies (like your statistic of US gun deaths) and studied the reality.


Just as I thought, when you lay out your thoughts they are half baked, not thought out and have no empirical basis. Your position is called paranoid delusional. About "stop selling lies", you have bought up all the available stock.

Typical Statist lier, when confronted with the facts you resort to name calling. If your going to call me names Dave, please use spell check, a dictionary, or consult someone that can speak English. Your broken verbage indicates you are an idiot. That along with your plan to disarm honest people and let criminals rape, loot and pillage at will. We wouldn't want to incarcerate them now would we Dave??
Oh, and by the by, hoplophobia is the epitomy of paranoia now isn't it Dave?

Dave, why is it that you wish to allow muderers, rapists, and thieves to wander the street preying on the innocent as long as they don't use a gun? You won't answer that.
Lastly, I find your liberal ideology that persecutes corporations for offshoring jobs hysterical. Particularly coming from a guy who flees the country sucking tax payer dollars out of the US to fund his subsidized vacation. Do what I say, not what I do eh Dave????