New York & gun control

[ouchez]

Would it matter if I own a house in the States, vote there, pay taxes there, and contribute to the U.S. society? Would it matter why I'm in Mexico? Would it matter that my Max is parked in a 14 story garage and I can ride it all year instead of 4 months like in New England? Or that I'm living directly on the Pacific Ocean in a 1800 square foot condo with 4 swimming pools, nine hot tubs, a gym, and more for less money than I'm leasing my house for? You can find out all about it for only ten dollars. Buy the book my wife and I wrote from Amazom.com, " Escaping the USA". Plus the chances are good you will see us on TV. The Travel Channel which will be a documentary about Rosarito, Baja California, Mexico. This is a project I'm involved with that has already started.
David

David,

Now you have cemented my feeling concerning your credibility,,,my suggestion, run for office in Mexico, renounce you're U.S. citizenship. You do not face the problems, issues we face, you ran from them, you are not one of us.. Please Zip it!

O

 

[SpecOps13]

This Book???????:confused2:


http://www.amazon.com/Escaping-The-USA-From-luxury/dp/1478341394#reader_B008T9SIS0

 

[forestdaledave]

This Book???????:confused2:


http://www.amazon.com/Escaping-The-USA-From-luxury/dp/1478341394#reader_B008T9SIS0

That is the one. It is a good read. I hope to sell enough to get noticed by a publishing house.
David

 

[forestdaledave]

David,

Now you have cemented my feeling concerning your credibility,,,my suggestion, run for office in Mexico, renounce you're U.S. citizenship. You do not face the problems, issues we face, you ran from them, you are not one of us.. Please Zip it!

O

:bang head:

What is the greater fear, a child afraid of the dark or a man afraid of the light?

David

 

[85 MAX-fan]

85Max fan, though I don't know your name.

You don't need to know my name to debate the current attempts to violate the US constitution. You can simply refer to me as 85 MAX-fan, or "The Dude", or "El dudereno, or just "dude" if your into the whole brevity thing.

How does Santa Rosa Junior College, Sonoma State College, Eastern CT. State College, Southeastern MA. University sound as places of higher education? But you got me on another "ism" I never heard before.

Really? Never heard of it even though you attended all of those "places of higher education"? That doesn't speak well of their curriculum. Perhaps you didn't study political science, or history though. Probably passed on grammer too...

Sent me right into research mode. Statism comes from French. Not sure how it could ever be used in a sentence though. Would have to experiment with usage.

Instead of "experimenting with usage" try this:
In political science, statism (French: ?tatisme) is the belief that a government should control either economic or social policy, or both, to some degree. Statism is effectively the opposite of anarchism. Statism can take many forms.
Authoritarianism, views a strong, authoritative state as required to legislate or enforce morality and cultural practices. The ideology of statism espoused by fascism holds that sovereignty is not vested in the people but in the nation state, and that all individuals and associations exist only to enhance the power, prestige and well-being of the state. It repudiates individualism and the family and exalts the nation as an organic body headed by the Supreme Leader and nurtured by unity, force, and discipline. Fascism and some forms of corporatism extol the moral position that the corporate group, usually the state, is greater than the sum of its parts and that individuals have a moral obligation to serve the state.
State socialism refers to any socialist political movement that advocates for or relies upon the use of the state to build a socialist society (or for achieving a socialist revolution), in the form of democratic centralism and a Vanguardist single-party state.

In political science, statism (French: ?tatisme) is the belief that a government should control either economic or social policy, or both,

You seem to knock statism as a bad thing, somehow interfering with personal freedom.

I am not infering statism is a bad thing, I am stating that it is categorically. It brought us socialist and communist devastation and fascism. Any movement that subjects the people to being ruled tyranically by the state. The very foundation Dave, for the United States as a constitutional republic is every where in its tenants. "We the people", not "They our rulers". Our govenment is designed to work for US, not against our liberty.

Yet without statism anarchy would rein.

Wrong, you pose that there is only one extreme or the other which is of course faulty logic. Again the US was set up as a Constitutional Republic to prevent your erroneous assertion that without statism "anarchy would rein" as well as to restrain the state. It has been far more effective than ANY socialist governance in history. Example: which had "anarchy reign", Cambodia or the US from 1960 to 1995?

( There, I used that word twice) So my question to you would be in a state of anarchy how much freedom do you suppose any person would have?

Why are you discussing a state of Anarchy? Anarchy like in Mexico where firearms are illegal to own?
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2012/08/there-were-83000-murders-during-last.html

On another point, and yes, I have researched election fraud, is a link for you. From conservative Forbes. http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2012/11/06/voter-fraud-a-massive-anti-democratic-deception/



David

Try this link David: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2008/04/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-100000-stolen-votes-in-chicago


Dave, can you tell me why some in our government have proposed far reaching measures to restrain our freedom, and rob us of more of our liberties in response to the actions of a few maniacal killers when they themselves state that none of these measures will stop these types of crime in the future???

You seem to blame firearms for murder, yet you are 100% silent when people are beaten to death, stabbed, or strangled. Why is that? It comes across as though you have a political agenda that has nothing to do with curbing violence.

 

[85 MAX-fan]

:bang head:

What is the greater fear, a child afraid of the dark or a man afraid of the light?

David

Well David, it makes perfect sense that you would quote Plato, undoubtedly one of your idols.

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Plato was the first statist. He offers his vision of the ideal state in the Republic. An elite group of philosopher-rulers run it. They are wise and all knowing. The rulers are not accountable to the public, and they require absolute individual devotion and submission to the good of the state. In Plato's republic only philosophers can have access to objective knowledge, philosophers being, as he puts it, people "who are capable of apprehending what is eternal and unchanging" ? those few individuals who can sit down in a quiet place and think clearly. Everyone else, the rest of us, he describes as "those who are incapable of this [and] lose themselves and wander amid the multiplicities of multifarious things."[/FONT]​

Those who do not agree that the rulers of the state are all knowing, and those that disagree with their omnipotence, are to be ruled eh David? ​

 

[ouchez]

That is the one. It is a good read. I hope to sell enough to get noticed by a publishing house.
David

Rosarito Dave,

That area you live in is on a State Department travel warning list:rofl_200:

I read about you in the link,,,you are so happy to have escaped the U.S. which you apparently dislike greatly, and have found paradise, while I take it on workers comp and SSDisability:ummm:

Good luck with the book and your hopes of doing a reality TV show.:eusa_dance:

O

 

[dannymax]

Wayne LaPierre on SOTUS Address, click 'WATCH SPEECH'

http://home.nra.org/?ref=memberemail&date=130214#/nraorg

 

[forestdaledave]

Rosarito Dave,

That area you live in is on a State Department travel warning list:rofl_200:

I read about you in the link,,,you are so happy to have escaped the U.S. which you apparently dislike greatly, and have found paradise, while I take it on workers comp and SSDisability:ummm:

Good luck with the book and your hopes of doing a reality TV show.:eusa_dance:

O

Just to clear something up. I'm not doing a TV reality show. I'm involved with a project to do a documentary that will be sold to the Travel Channel. It will not pay me a dime. But hopefully I will get to pitch our book.
From what I have read the travel warning list is not here but some other parts of Mexico. From what I have been able to discern the violence in Mexico is very focused. The advice seems to be stay away from the drug trade and all will be well. In the States the violence is random. There is a lot more violence just across the Border in Chula Vista, San Diego and that area. There is a lot of cool stuff going on here. A lot of people from the U.S. here. Mainly for two reasons, the weather and affordability. Plus in a strange way, a greater sense of personal freedom.

 

[forestdaledave]

Well David, it makes perfect sense that you would quote Plato, undoubtedly one of your idols.

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Plato was the first statist. He offers his vision of the ideal state in the Republic. An elite group of philosopher-rulers run it. They are wise and all knowing. The rulers are not accountable to the public, and they require absolute individual devotion and submission to the good of the state. In Plato's republic only philosophers can have access to objective knowledge, philosophers being, as he puts it, people "who are capable of apprehending what is eternal and unchanging" ? those few individuals who can sit down in a quiet place and think clearly. Everyone else, the rest of us, he describes as "those who are incapable of this [and] lose themselves and wander amid the multiplicities of multifarious things."[/FONT]

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I didn't quote Plato. That is not something he wrote. Once again you are off base assuming Plato is my idol. Hardly close. "Wander amid the multiplicities of multifarious things" Like earning a living!
It can be said that people who don't want to own their own words are in the least impolite, or just flat chickenshit. What would you do to attempt to control violence perpetrated by people with guns?​

Those who do not agree that the rulers of the state are all knowing, and those that disagree with their omnipotence, are to be ruled eh David? ​

That sounds like the Republican mantra that the super wealthy only know enough to rule. The Gilded Age revisited.

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David

 

[srk468]

Not sure if you seen this Danny, New Yorkers are PISSED and justifiably so... It's kinda long but worth it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol1SzjHPFGw

 

[dannymax]

I did see that Scott, it reflects the attitude of most, if not all, of the law-abiding gun enthusiasts in NY. County legislative bodies are drafting and passing resolutions renouncing the UNSAFE Act (as it's referred to here :biglaugh, Sheriff's associations are refusing to enforce it, several lawsuits have been filed citing unconstutionality, large protests held in Albany with a huge one scheduled for the 28th of this month.......and much, much more.

The NYS Police have been put in the position of explaining the law to the public and a hotline has been established....you can call the hotline 3 times on the same exact issue and get 3 totally different answers....nothing against those guys, they're in an impossible situation....trying to explain the unexplainable.

There are a lot of folks very pissed off about this thing, I sincerely hope the 'king' can shed some of his arrogance and reel it back in before something really bad happens......but I don't have a lot of faith in that....the man is too focused on his own greatness!

 

[dannymax]

Just looking at some stats from Mexico re: drug war violence....50,000 deaths in 6 years attributed to the drug wars! Wow, that is some serious stat, right there. Must be a pretty lucrative business...ey?

Another lucrative business in some parts of the world is kidnap for ransom....pays very well I hear. Wonder how long it will be before some of those Mexican drug pushers get tired of the stress and move to the relatively easy occupation of grabbing up rich American?

Of course all Americans in Mexico aren't rich but the Mexicans don't know that, do they! Wonder how many of those 'rich' ex-pats down there have a survival plan when (not if) this occurs? :confused2:

 

[dannymax]

York Arms - NY deliveries

 

[SpecOps13]

Florida has lots more room and our gun crime rate isn't anything like the state you'd be leaving....That's because most of us are Heavily Armed and the Criminals Here Know That.

John Lott, who has conducted extensive research on the link between gun laws and crime rates, said he has examined 13 kinds of gun-control laws, but one that stands out as reducing crime is concealed-carry.
?What you see is the states that issue the most [concealed-carry] permits have the most drops in violent crime,? he said. ?When states pass carry laws, some criminals stop committing crimes, some criminals switch to other types of crimes and some criminals move out of the area.?

New York, even before it approved the strictest gun-control measures in the country last week, was ranked fourth among the states in strength of gun laws by the Brady Campaign to End Gun Violence, but was also in the top 10 in firearm homicide rates in 2011, according to the FBI.

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[tothemax93]

York Arms - NY deliveries

That's what I call "putting your money where your mouth is" unk:unk:

 

[85 MAX-fan]

"What would you do to attempt to control violence perpetrated by people with guns?"

Not sure again why you separate violence involving a gun, from those incidents I referenced before. It's violence Dave. John Gacy methodically tortured and strangled his victims to death, and you are silent about that. Thousands stabbed and or beaten to death in last few decades in New York, and you say nothing.
But if someone is shot, you rave about "gun violence".

"Gun violence" is a term specifically created by the statist to instill fear in the uninformed through its use as a soundbite. A well documented method to influence the easily misled people of the world.
Its not "gun violence" Dave. The gun doesn't fly arround Los Angeles firing itself killing people. Instead the reality is the US has literally thousands and thousands of people that would have no reservation about killing. Gun, knife, bludgeon, murder is murder. Comitted by a PERSON. They, and only they, hold the blame.

So what would I do about it? I would stop selling the lies that the social engineering our government has been doing is good, and that it is working. Our welfare state is largely responsible for creating generations of people that do not have any moral compass, and they are breeding like flies. I would CONTROL THE BORDER. Thousands of criminals come here and our statist politicians rant about how they are only here to work. ********. I would allow people to BEAR ARMS, for their own protection and the protection of their loved ones. I would fire up ol' sparky and and execute those pieces of filth that don't deserve to ever shatter the lives of good people through their acts, and I would present a documentary about who and what they were, what they did, where it got them, and I would show their death publicly so that people understand that this will not be tolerated. Thats a start.

 

[Rollie]

"What would you do to attempt to control violence perpetrated by people with guns?"

Not sure again why you separate violence involving a gun, from those incidents I referenced before. It's violence Dave. John Gacy methodically tortured and strangled his victims to death, and you are silent about that. Thousands stabbed and or beaten to death in last few decades in New York, and you say nothing.
But if someone is shot, you rave about "gun violence".

"Gun violence" is a term specifically created by the statist to instill fear in the uninformed through its use as a soundbite. A well documented method to influence the easily misled people of the world.
Its not "gun violence" Dave. The gun doesn't fly arround Los Angeles firing itself killing people. Instead the reality is the US has literally thousands and thousands of people that would have no reservation about killing. Gun, knife, bludgeon, murder is murder. Comitted by a PERSON. They, and only they, hold the blame.

So what would I do about it? I would stop selling the lies that the social engineering our government has been doing is good, and that it is working. Our welfare state is largely responsible for creating generations of people that do not have any moral compass, and they are breeding like flies. I would CONTROL THE BORDER. Thousands of criminals come here and our statist politicians rant about how they are only here to work. ********. I would allow people to BEAR ARMS, for their own protection and the protection of their loved ones. I would fire up ol' sparky and and execute those pieces of filth that don't deserve to ever shatter the lives of good people through their acts, and I would present a documentary about who and what they were, what they did, where it got them, and I would show their death publicly so that people understand that this will not be tolerated. Thats a start.

This would save Billions as the illegals cost us every year . This could also include politicians with their laws & regulations which hurt the people , but does not apply to THEM !!!!!!!

 

[srk468]

I did see that Scott, it reflects the attitude of most, if not all, of the law-abiding gun enthusiasts in NY. County legislative bodies are drafting and passing resolutions renouncing the UNSAFE Act (as it's referred to here :biglaugh, Sheriff's associations are refusing to enforce it, several lawsuits have been filed citing unconstutionality, large protests held in Albany with a huge one scheduled for the 28th of this month.......and much, much more.

The NYS Police have been put in the position of explaining the law to the public and a hotline has been established....you can call the hotline 3 times on the same exact issue and get 3 totally different answers....nothing against those guys, they're in an impossible situation....trying to explain the unexplainable.

There are a lot of folks very pissed off about this thing, I sincerely hope the 'king' can shed some of his arrogance and reel it back in before something really bad happens......but I don't have a lot of faith in that....the man is too focused on his own greatness!

I thought of you instantly when I seen this Danny, you guys keep up the good fight to get that abomination repealed

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[Rusty McNeil]

This would save Billions as the illegals cost us every year . This could also include politicians with their laws & regulations which hurt the people , but does not apply to THEM !!!!!!!

This makes me think of theline about getting illegals into the system so they can contribute taxes.
Really?:ummm:
Mitt Romney had it right, even tho' he got crucified for it.
Almost none of those people make a level of income that would cause them to pay any income taxes at all if they did file a federal or state return, more than likely would just suck more money out of the "earned income credit" (Which is just welfare in my mind)

Yes they would pay sales taxes but they already are paying those anyway.

More ******** from our politicians trying to bring voters into thier side of the battle.:bang head: