three percent the truth

[Itgoes]

"And the GDP WAS at 4.1... stop looking at the Clinton News Network...."

Saying it over and over doesn't make it true. That's Trump's MO.

I just showed you it is currently at 2%.....the past 2 quarters. Head in the sand much?

Why did it take Trump so long to go see the Troops? Finally the coward was shamed into is my guess. Seargent Bone Spurs, 5 deferments thanks to Daddy. Disgraceful.

Oh....and why are all the best people going to jail or quitting/resigning?

And what happened to all those "Deep State" criminals that the lunatics on Fox News said were going to jail? You know the explosive report that was coming out that was going to implicate all of them?

Oops! LMAO

 

[oediehl]

"We lost an elegant, well-regarded, thoughtful leader with the retirement of Obama"

Boy are YOU out in left field! Thank God most of the country doesn't agree with you, as you will soon see with our next election.

Most of the country does agree with me

 

[oediehl]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
You funny, like a clown......

Not all clowns are at all funny, like the one in the Oval Office

 

[oediehl]

What will that be like, 4 or 5 times? You will be voting Progressive just like Putin's gal pal Hillary Right?

You are so out to lunch. trumpski is Putin's *****, Putin hated Hillary because he knew she did not favor him

 

[[email protected]]

I think trump is an embarrassment to the county. The way he delivers a speech, his "off the cuff" remarks, and his actions on social media reveal him to be the true person he is. Make you own judgement.
All the charts and graphs in the world don't mean chit to me. Information on every website you find is so skewed, I find any of them hard to believe.
Whatever someone says the GDP is or unemployment rate doesn't "click" in my head. Its a bunch of information that I can't relate to.
What does count is what I actually see with my own eyes.

I've been in commercial construction for a couple decades. We've been doing quite well.
Myself, as well as my competitors, have more opportunities than employees.
The suppliers that I speak to are doing well in sales.
The residential contractors I speak to are experiencing similar conditions.
People I talk to in the trades, and industries servicing the trades all seem to be busy right now.

I can't say if this is due to Trump or not. Not sure how long it willl last....Boom or bust?

 

[Itgoes]

The economy is still pretty good, there was a bump when the corporate tax cuts went into effect. Not as big as this administration had hoped for however because a lot of corporations used the extra cash to buy back stock.

My business is seeing a noticeable decline right now after a good beginning of the year. This corresponds with current the GDP numbers (the real ones not the made up 4.1%)

Hopefully, it's just a blip and things will pickup.

If the ridiculous "trade war" that Trump started is ever resolved...... hopefully any damages done can be repaired. That will be helpful.

Look closely at what the "deal" will be. We will end up with something very close to what we had before with a some window dressing added. That's Trump's record......create a crisis, then end the crisis and claim victory. Meanwhile farmers are getting killed and many are only still in business because of the billions of dollars in subsidies that all us tax payers are shelling out.

 

[oediehl]

The economy is still pretty good, but that's pretty much what trump inherited. Trump is not very smart, but he's devious, like a fox, and he's learned how to play people, one against the other, and to try to make the resolution (worked out by others, always) work to his own benefit. Trump is all about chaos. He has been good for big money, with the massive GOP tax break for the wealthy, and big money is trying to play the remaining hand to their benefit, before it all comes crashing down. I sold almost all my stocks several months ago. I'm going to wait for the crash, and then get back into the market when trump is gone and the economy begins to recover. Regardless of the financials, trump is a national disgrace, and I'm deeply shamed that many in this country still praise him.

 

[poppop]

it just one persons train of thought against another we arent gonna change a thing argureing .for myself i like trump and believe he has been one of the best weve had in forever .yes obama give money away clintons urrainum deal wasd a sham,obamas apoligy tour was embarassing,america is doing better sense trump has been in office.jobs safety the wall .usmca and no more letting china steal and a hundred other things .hillary would have lead us to povertery before you crusfry him think where we would be if she had won.gimme hell idf you want but im right,no deneying it

 

[Eugene Brad]

To his supporters: Why did trump ever say he would release his taxes? Why won’t he? Does that not seem like he is hiding something?

 

[caseyjones955]

To his supporters: Why did trump ever say he would release his taxes? Why won’t he? Does that not seem like he is hiding something?

Not a supporter, but I do remember him saying he would turn them over and now he's scratching down to the bone to avoid it. Possibly because of all he has to hide, or possibly just to piss off the lefties. Either way he is not keeping his word and It has been noticed.

I speculate that those documents would help the impeachment process and hobble his chances for reelection, probably even open him up to legal repercussions. I would have been more comfortable had he just told everyone that he would not turn them over in the beginning.

I'm only lukewarm to Trump because he is doing us a HUGE service by standing up to China, and he's not Hillary. I would vote for him to save us from CA and China in spite of his very deep serious flaws, and in the absence of anyone better.

When I'm able to pick the POTUS we'll have a no-nonsense, single, childless, middle-aged, libertarian, atheist with degrees in science, business and economics in charge.

 

[caseyjones955]

The economy is still pretty good, but that's pretty much what trump inherited. Trump is not very smart, but he's devious, like a fox, and he's learned how to play people, one against the other, and to try to make the resolution (worked out by others, always) work to his own benefit. Trump is all about chaos. He has been good for big money, with the massive GOP tax break for the wealthy, and big money is trying to play the remaining hand to their benefit, before it all comes crashing down. I sold almost all my stocks several months ago. I'm going to wait for the crash, and then get back into the market when trump is gone and the economy begins to recover. Regardless of the financials, trump is a national disgrace, and I'm deeply shamed that many in this country still praise him.

This is pretty spot on. I have a few friends that support him, although I don't understand. I think it might be handy to consider the difference between "support" and "reluctantly chosen because he was not Hillary. I find myself with some overlapping agreement on both sides of this issue.

 

[lastwhiteman]

By Oleg Atbashian
First published in Front Page Magazine
PROG OFF

CrowdStrike: a Conspiracy Wrapped in a Conspiracy Inside a Conspiracy


In the last few days, media talking heads have been saying the word "CrowdStrike" a lot, defining it as a wild conspiracy theory originating in Moscow. They were joined by Chris Wallace at Fox News, who informed us that president Trump and his ill-informed fans believe in a crazy idea that the DNC wasn't hacked by the Russians but by some Ukrainian group named CrowdStrike that stole the DNC server and brought it to Ukraine , and that it was Ukraine that meddled in our 2016 election and not Russia.

A crazy idea indeed. Except that neither Trump nor his fans had ever heard of it until the Democrat-media complex condescendingly informed them that these are their beliefs.

Let's look at the facts:

Fact 1. In 2016 the DNC hired the Ukrainian-linked firm CrowdStrike to analyze their server and investigate a data breach.

Fact 2. CrowdStrike experts determined that the culprit was Russia.

Fact 3. The FBI never received access to the DNC server, so the Russian connection was never officially confirmed and continues to be an allegation coming from the DNC and its Ukrainian-linked contractor.

Fact 4. Absent the official verdict, other theories continue to circulate, including the possibility that the theft was an inside job by a DNC employee, who simply copied the files to a USB drive and sent it to WikiLeaks.

None of these facts was ever disputed by anyone. The media largely ignored them except for the part about the Russian hackers, which boosted their own, now debunked, wild conspiracy theory that Trump was a Russian agent.

Now that Trump had asked the newly elected Ukrainian president Zelensky to look into CrowdStrike during that fateful July phone call, the media all at once started telling us that "CrowdStrike" is a code word for a conspiracy theory so insane that only Trump could believe in it, which is just more proof of how insane he is.

But if Trump had really said what Mr. Wallace and the media claim, Ukrainians would be the first to call him on it and the impeachment would've been over by now. Instead, Ukrainians back Trump every step of the way.

So where did this pretzel-shaped fake news come from, and why is it being peddled now?

Note this is a classic case study of propaganda and media manipulation:

1. Take an idea or a story that you wish to go away and make up an obviously bogus story with the same names and details as the real one.
2. Start planting it simultaneously on media channels until the fake story supplants the real one, while claiming this is what your opponents really believe.
3. Have various fact-checking outlets debunk your fake story as an absurd conspiracy theory. Ridicule those who allegedly believe in it. Better yet, have late night comedians do it for you.
4. Once your opponent is brought down, mercilessly plant your boot on his face and never let up.

This mass manipulation technology had been tested and perfected by the Soviet propaganda machine, both domestically and overseas, where it was successfully deployed by the KGB. The Kremlin still uses it, although it can no longer afford it on the same grandiose scale. In this sense, the Democratic think tanks are the true successors of the KGB in deviousness, scope, and worldwide reach of fake narratives. How they inherited these methods from the KGB is a story for another day.

For a long time this technology was allowing the Democrats to delegitimize opposition by convincing large numbers of Americans that Republicans are…

• Haters
• Racists
• Fascists
• Deniers of science
• Destroyers of the environment
• Heartless sellouts to corporate interests
• And so on - the list is endless.

The Soviet communists had aptly named it "disinformation," which is a cut above the English word "misinformation." It includes a variety of methods for a variety of needs, from bringing down an opponent to revising history to creating a new historical reality altogether. In this sense, most Hollywood movies on historical subjects today disinform us about history, supplanting it with a bogus "progressive" narrative. The Soviet term for such art was "socialist realism."

Long story short, the Democrat-media complex has successfully convinced one half of the world that Trump is a Russian agent. Now they're acting as if they'd spent the last three years in a coma, unaware of any bombshell stories about collusion. And bombshell stories without any continuation are a telltale sign of fake narratives. The only consequence of these bombshells is mass amnesia among the foot soldiers.

The Trump-Russian outrage is dead, long live the Trump-Ukraine outrage. And when that outrage is dead, the next outrage that will be just outrageous.

The current impeachment narrative alleges that Trump used military aid as leverage in asking Ukraine to dig up dirt on Joe Biden (which implies the Democrats know Biden is dirty, otherwise why bother?). What's not in this picture is CrowdStrike. Even though Trump mentioned it in the phone call, it has nothing to do with the Bidens nor the Javelin missiles. CrowdStrike has nothing to do with impeachment. We're told it's just a silly conspiracy theory in Trump's head, that it's a nonissue.

But then why fabricate fake news about it and plant blatant lies simultaneously in all media outlets from Mother Jones to Fox News? Why risk being exposed over such a nonissue? Perhaps because it's more important than the story suggests.

Only a computer illiterate would think that CrowdStrike needed to take the physical DNC server to Ukraine in order to analyze it. Any computer can be cloned and its digital image can be sent anywhere on the planet in the form of ones and zeroes. It can also exist in multiple digital copies, carrying not just confidential archives, but also history logs and other content that can reveal to an expert whether the hacking occurred, and if so, by whom.

The copies of the DNC server on CrowdStrike computers are likely to hold the key to understanding what really happened during the 2016 election, the origin of the anti-Trump witch hunt, and the toxic cloud of lies that had been hanging over the world and poisoning minds during the last three years.

And now the new Ukrainian government might subpoena these copies from CrowdStrike and finally pass them to FBI experts, which should've been done three years ago. The danger of this happening is a much greater incentive for the Democrats to preemptively destroy Trump than all the dirt Joe Biden had been rolling in as Obama's vice president.

This gives the supposedly innocuous reference to CrowdStrike during Trump's call a lot more gravity and the previously incoherent part of the transcript begins to make sense.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say CrowdStrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation.
If you read the transcript on the day it was released, you probably didn't understand what Trump was even talking about, let alone what had caused such a disproportionate outrage, complete with whistle blowing and calls for impeachment. What in that mild conversation could possibly terrify the Democrats so much? They were terrified because, unlike most Americans, the Democrats knew exactly what Trump was talking about. And now you know, too.

The fraudulent "CrowdStrike conspiracy" deflection is not a show of the Democrats' strength. Instead, It betrays their desperation and panic, which tells us that Trump is squarely over the target.

It also helps us to see who at Fox News can be trusted to tell us the truth. And it ain't Chris Wallace

 

[dan2theVmax]

Since this thread is already out there, does anyone have a secret for keeping mice away from wiring on your bike in the winter? I’ve never had a problem before but I’ve never had an $18,000 bike before either. Maybe moth balls or something? Just wondering.
Thanks
Dan

 

[lastwhiteman]

From "Trashmouth"
Perhaps what we really need to look at in all of this is the actual game of leverage and finance not CrowdStrike, Russian hacking, the Ukranian Quid pro Quo, Democrats and Republicans.

We already know that Alperovitch, is a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, which is a think tank that is openly anti-Russian and is funded by Ukranian billionaire Victor Pinchuk….who magically donated more $10 million dollars to the Clinton Foundation........and were we not recently treated to evidence that the U.S. chargé d’affaires to Ukraine, Bill Taylor, was shown to be a sterling participants in the Anti-Trump effort? Understand that Bill Taylor was formerly U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine (’06-’09) and later helped the Obama administration to design the laundry operation providing taxpayer financing to Ukraine in exchange for back-channel payments to U.S. politicians and their families.


Was it not Taylor who engaged in carefully planned text messages with EU Ambassador Gordon Sondland to set-up a narrative helpful to Adam Schiff’s political coup effort, and it was it not Mr. Taylor who also blocked VISA’s for Ukrainian ‘whistle-blowers’ who are willing to testify to the corrupt financial scheme.


What seems to be more relevant in all of this rests in fact that dozens and dozens of U.S. Senators some of which are currently serving have been a recipient of money through the aforementioned laundry process. We know that many U.S. senators write foreign aid policies, rules, and regulations thereby creating untold financing mechanisms to transmit U.S. funds. Those same distinguished senators then received a portion of the laundered funds back through their various “institutes” and business connections to the foreign government offices....does the name Burisma ring a bell?
However, overlooked in all of this has been that the U.S. State Dept. serves as a distribution network for the authorization of the money laundering by granting conflict waivers, approvals for financing (think Clinton Global Initiative), and permission slips for the payment of all of that wonderful foreign money. The officials within the State Dept. take acut of the overall payments through a system of “indulgence fees”, junkets, gifts and expense payments to those with political oversight.

Remember, a congressional delegation may take trips to work out the payment terms/conditions of any changes in graft financing. This is why Senators spend $20 million on a campaign to earn a job paying $350k/year. The “institutes” is where the real foreign money comes in; billions paid by governments like China, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Ukraine…. and boys and girls there are untold trillions at stake, real US and foreign dollars! Once you see the past the Kabuki theater of CrowdStrike, Russian, Ukrainians, Impeachment to how much money is at stake, would you want Donald Trump to interfere or muddle the delicious process?

 

[lastwhiteman]

They're all dirty, folks.
Time to heat up the tar and pluck some feathers.

 

[lastwhiteman]

Since this thread is already out there, does anyone have a secret for keeping mice away from wiring on your bike in the winter? I’ve never had a problem before but I’ve never had an $18,000 bike before either. Maybe moth balls or something? Just wondering.
Thanks
Dan

A cat?

 

[dannymax]

Since this thread is already out there, does anyone have a secret for keeping mice away from wiring on your bike in the winter? I’ve never had a problem before but I’ve never had an $18,000 bike before either. Maybe moth balls or something? Just wondering.
Thanks
Dan

Heard that mice hate dryer sheets. I'm going to pick up a box and spread them around.

 

[GuruedVMax]

By Oleg Atbashian
First published in Front Page Magazine
PROG OFF

CrowdStrike: a Conspiracy Wrapped in a Conspiracy Inside a Conspiracy


In the last few days, media talking heads have been saying the word "CrowdStrike" a lot, defining it as a wild conspiracy theory originating in Moscow. They were joined by Chris Wallace at Fox News, who informed us that president Trump and his ill-informed fans believe in a crazy idea that the DNC wasn't hacked by the Russians but by some Ukrainian group named CrowdStrike that stole the DNC server and brought it to Ukraine , and that it was Ukraine that meddled in our 2016 election and not Russia.

A crazy idea indeed. Except that neither Trump nor his fans had ever heard of it until the Democrat-media complex condescendingly informed them that these are their beliefs.

Let's look at the facts:

Fact 1. In 2016 the DNC hired the Ukrainian-linked firm CrowdStrike to analyze their server and investigate a data breach.

Fact 2. CrowdStrike experts determined that the culprit was Russia.

Fact 3. The FBI never received access to the DNC server, so the Russian connection was never officially confirmed and continues to be an allegation coming from the DNC and its Ukrainian-linked contractor.

Fact 4. Absent the official verdict, other theories continue to circulate, including the possibility that the theft was an inside job by a DNC employee, who simply copied the files to a USB drive and sent it to WikiLeaks.

None of these facts was ever disputed by anyone. The media largely ignored them except for the part about the Russian hackers, which boosted their own, now debunked, wild conspiracy theory that Trump was a Russian agent.

Now that Trump had asked the newly elected Ukrainian president Zelensky to look into CrowdStrike during that fateful July phone call, the media all at once started telling us that "CrowdStrike" is a code word for a conspiracy theory so insane that only Trump could believe in it, which is just more proof of how insane he is.

But if Trump had really said what Mr. Wallace and the media claim, Ukrainians would be the first to call him on it and the impeachment would've been over by now. Instead, Ukrainians back Trump every step of the way.

So where did this pretzel-shaped fake news come from, and why is it being peddled now?

Note this is a classic case study of propaganda and media manipulation:

1. Take an idea or a story that you wish to go away and make up an obviously bogus story with the same names and details as the real one.
2. Start planting it simultaneously on media channels until the fake story supplants the real one, while claiming this is what your opponents really believe.
3. Have various fact-checking outlets debunk your fake story as an absurd conspiracy theory. Ridicule those who allegedly believe in it. Better yet, have late night comedians do it for you.
4. Once your opponent is brought down, mercilessly plant your boot on his face and never let up.

This mass manipulation technology had been tested and perfected by the Soviet propaganda machine, both domestically and overseas, where it was successfully deployed by the KGB. The Kremlin still uses it, although it can no longer afford it on the same grandiose scale. In this sense, the Democratic think tanks are the true successors of the KGB in deviousness, scope, and worldwide reach of fake narratives. How they inherited these methods from the KGB is a story for another day.

For a long time this technology was allowing the Democrats to delegitimize opposition by convincing large numbers of Americans that Republicans are…

• Haters
• Racists
• Fascists
• Deniers of science
• Destroyers of the environment
• Heartless sellouts to corporate interests
• And so on - the list is endless.

The Soviet communists had aptly named it "disinformation," which is a cut above the English word "misinformation." It includes a variety of methods for a variety of needs, from bringing down an opponent to revising history to creating a new historical reality altogether. In this sense, most Hollywood movies on historical subjects today disinform us about history, supplanting it with a bogus "progressive" narrative. The Soviet term for such art was "socialist realism."

Long story short, the Democrat-media complex has successfully convinced one half of the world that Trump is a Russian agent. Now they're acting as if they'd spent the last three years in a coma, unaware of any bombshell stories about collusion. And bombshell stories without any continuation are a telltale sign of fake narratives. The only consequence of these bombshells is mass amnesia among the foot soldiers.

The Trump-Russian outrage is dead, long live the Trump-Ukraine outrage. And when that outrage is dead, the next outrage that will be just outrageous.

The current impeachment narrative alleges that Trump used military aid as leverage in asking Ukraine to dig up dirt on Joe Biden (which implies the Democrats know Biden is dirty, otherwise why bother?). What's not in this picture is CrowdStrike. Even though Trump mentioned it in the phone call, it has nothing to do with the Bidens nor the Javelin missiles. CrowdStrike has nothing to do with impeachment. We're told it's just a silly conspiracy theory in Trump's head, that it's a nonissue.

But then why fabricate fake news about it and plant blatant lies simultaneously in all media outlets from Mother Jones to Fox News? Why risk being exposed over such a nonissue? Perhaps because it's more important than the story suggests.

Only a computer illiterate would think that CrowdStrike needed to take the physical DNC server to Ukraine in order to analyze it. Any computer can be cloned and its digital image can be sent anywhere on the planet in the form of ones and zeroes. It can also exist in multiple digital copies, carrying not just confidential archives, but also history logs and other content that can reveal to an expert whether the hacking occurred, and if so, by whom.

The copies of the DNC server on CrowdStrike computers are likely to hold the key to understanding what really happened during the 2016 election, the origin of the anti-Trump witch hunt, and the toxic cloud of lies that had been hanging over the world and poisoning minds during the last three years.

And now the new Ukrainian government might subpoena these copies from CrowdStrike and finally pass them to FBI experts, which should've been done three years ago. The danger of this happening is a much greater incentive for the Democrats to preemptively destroy Trump than all the dirt Joe Biden had been rolling in as Obama's vice president.

This gives the supposedly innocuous reference to CrowdStrike during Trump's call a lot more gravity and the previously incoherent part of the transcript begins to make sense.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say CrowdStrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation.
If you read the transcript on the day it was released, you probably didn't understand what Trump was even talking about, let alone what had caused such a disproportionate outrage, complete with whistle blowing and calls for impeachment. What in that mild conversation could possibly terrify the Democrats so much? They were terrified because, unlike most Americans, the Democrats knew exactly what Trump was talking about. And now you know, too.

The fraudulent "CrowdStrike conspiracy" deflection is not a show of the Democrats' strength. Instead, It betrays their desperation and panic, which tells us that Trump is squarely over the target.

It also helps us to see who at Fox News can be trusted to tell us the truth. And it ain't Chris Wallace

VERY well researched, stated, and explained. Kudos....

 

[wacokid]

Since this thread is already out there, does anyone have a secret for keeping mice away from wiring on your bike in the winter? I’ve never had a problem before but I’ve never had an $18,000 bike before either. Maybe moth balls or something? Just wondering.
Thanks
Dan

Buy pure peppermint oil $20 off the interwebs, water it down <50% in a spray bottle and go to town. Don’t forget the air box. Use distilled water if your water supply sucks. Once every two weeks if you let it set under wraps.

We have yotas and there was a thing about japs using soy based wiring to “save the environment” all it did was say the buffet is open.

Plus, it smells good when it warms up.

 

[rrego]

To his supporters: Why did trump ever say he would release his taxes? Why won’t he? Does that not seem like he is hiding something?

Why won't he? Spin, unbalanced media bias, messing with them because they are messing with him?
I like that he is off the cuff vs a speech reading robot. Tuff to "read" a robot.